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DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Re: DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Post by conductr »

ttoinou wrote: post #47
devwastaken wrote: post #46

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Yes, if we didn't have software patents. All of these products can be replaced by a team in a year or less. Overwhelmingly the features are basic image manipulation. One guy made photopea, an effective Photoshop replacement in javascript. Adobe has intellectual property, not innovation.

So following your first idea, the guy behind Photopea should be sued in justice by Adobe for IP infringement, no ?

He probably could be. It probably would not take much to bankrupt the guy. It just hasn’t reached the materiality mark for adobe to care.

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Post by syeare »

Espressosaurus wrote: post #43
cmdialog wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of designers are already abandoning Adobe because they are tired of their garbage. Many of my peers have turned to Serif Affinity apps as Photoshop/Illustrator/InDesign replacements and they do an incredible job. Nobody cares about Adobe on iPads, most artists are reaching for Procreate. Most of the issues involve sharing of files since Adobe has such a large share and their file types are proprietary. There ar…

Agreed. I'm not a professional, but I'm willing to spend money like a pro and I have gone out of my way to avoid Adobe products due to their business practices. So far the main place that is hurting me is Lightroom. None of the equivalents I've tried are as good (still need to try Capture One one of these days, except they are also starting to be...not great with their business). Affinity Photo is a pretty good Photo…

Capture One Pro is AMAZING for photography and managing large catalogs of RAW images. It's great for nondestructive editing and is a killer combo with Luminar/Luminar Neo. Also, I'm not sure why, but stock (no 3rd party plug-ins) Capture One Pro seems to somehow make colors pop a bit more than stock Lightroom

Re: DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Post by gliiics »

satvikpendem wrote: post #2

That would be incredible, please do! Figma is the only design tool that actually approaches design from an engineering standpoint, which can be seen in their feature set of things like having reusable components, variants, inheritance etc, which then maps very cleanly onto the code side.

I'm not a fan of Figma at all and I am forced to use it since there is no better alternative. I found Adobe XD was better but it's getting discontinued (EDIT: last time I heard - I might be wrong? Can't find info on this anymore) and it doesn't run on Linux.

My biggest gripe with Figma is the fact that you can only use components from the same file, unless you're paying (and even then you have to use a team, even if you are the only member, then create a project and add the file with the components in the project, enable sharing of the components, and make sure your second file is in the same project... not exactly a seamless experience, in a UX prototyping software of all places).

Shall you decide not to pay and give up to only using components from the same file, good luck organizing it neatly, since you only get 3 pages.

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Post by vogt »

gliiics wrote: post #83
satvikpendem wrote: post #2

That would be incredible, please do! Figma is the only design tool that actually approaches design from an engineering standpoint, which can be seen in their feature set of things like having reusable components, variants, inheritance etc, which then maps very cleanly onto the code side.

I'm not a fan of Figma at all and I am forced to use it since there is no better alternative. I found Adobe XD was better but it's getting discontinued (EDIT: last time I heard - I might be wrong? Can't find info on this anymore) and it doesn't run on Linux. My biggest gripe with Figma is the fact that you can only use components from the same file, unless you're paying (and even then you have to use a team, even if…

They need subscriptions to make money, and paywalling shared asset libraries is how they make sure that you can effectively have a full feature free trial permanently. I really don’t see the problem here. A subscription is what, $12? You need to pay for an adobe CC license to have XD.

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Post by satvikpendem »

andybak wrote: post #70
satvikpendem wrote: post #2

That would be incredible, please do! Figma is the only design tool that actually approaches design from an engineering standpoint, which can be seen in their feature set of things like having reusable components, variants, inheritance etc, which then maps very cleanly onto the code side.

Many of those features are in other apps. It's surely a difference of degree rather than kind? (I can't reel off a list as I don't do design day to day any more but I used to and I was a fan of apps that had exactly this approach.

The degree matters IMO. The ones in Sketch or XD are laughable compared to Figma.

Re: DOJ Preps Antitrust Suit to Block Adobe’s $20B Figma Deal

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Post by smcin »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #27
smcin wrote: post #24

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Post-merger/acquisition of Sprint, yes (initiated in 2018 and finally allowed by regulators in 2020). Interesting detail about the prior 2014 Softbank/Sprint bid to acquire T-Mobile: > "It was reported that... Sprint had insisted on a low termination fee to prevent regulators from being given an incentive to block the deal, as had occurred with AT&T's failed attempt to purchase T-Mobile." https://en.wikipedia.org/wik…

I don't understand that. Why would a large termination fee be an incentive for regulators to block the deal?

It gives the regulators more leverage to demand concessions. Then the regulator ends up playing brinkmanship with the acquiring company.

The US now only has three nationwide cellphone networks so there are lots of concessions that can reasonably be demanded. (They should have never allowed the number of carriers to be consolidated down to three, but that's another story).

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Post by cmdialog »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #79
cmdialog wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of designers are already abandoning Adobe because they are tired of their garbage. Many of my peers have turned to Serif Affinity apps as Photoshop/Illustrator/InDesign replacements and they do an incredible job. Nobody cares about Adobe on iPads, most artists are reaching for Procreate. Most of the issues involve sharing of files since Adobe has such a large share and their file types are proprietary. There ar…

> Procreate Procreate is f**king amazing . The combination of the 12-inch (or, in my case, Mini) iPad (with PaperLike screen protector), Pencil 2, and Procreate is awesome .

High five, I also got iPad + PaperLike screen protector combo and it really is super nice

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Post by pjmlp »

cmdialog wrote: post #76
ido wrote: post #64

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+1 anecdata, I've tried to get colleagues off of adobe suite for years to little success.

Adobe Suite is always going to be around, no doubt, but you also have viable alternatives for the day to day work, and then you use Adobe stuff when you have to, for a client that requires it for instance. Prior to moving to Figma 100% of the time, my current agency, and prior agency, were using Sketch. Adobe products were secondary. Others in my field have reported largely the same. Most of the time people simply do…

Adobe is much more than only creative suite, it is usually on pair with SAP in enterprise deployments for content management and tooling for CMS.

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Post by jgalt212 »

tyre wrote: post #35
jgalt212 wrote: post #16

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Not for Figma, but for the VC's who've already paid for new jets or 8 figure apartments.

Why would it not be for Figma? The VCs won’t get cash from selling shares in the acquisition because the acquisition won’t happen.

Well, I guess it depends on your goals as Figma employee. So yes, but probably a net negative but the situation for the Figman employees and company is muddier than it is for the VCs.
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