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Re: Open source solution replicates ChatGPT training process

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It's because BLOOM is undertrained, you can prune a lot of weights in BLOOM and it doesn't impact performance. Look at Chinchilla paper[1], 70B model outperforms 175B GPT-3 model. https://arxiv.org/abs/2203.15556

In general, most giant LLMs are extremely undertrained at this time. Consider that most of the gains in RoBerta vs bert were from just continuing to train.

Cases of undertraining can be observed whenever the output is repeating gibberish or loops. Happened a lot in GPT2 ai dungeon days

Re: Open source solution replicates ChatGPT training process

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Can someone tell me what the hell they use ChatGPT for? I tried it a few times and it always confidently gave me wrong results to basic things. What is this thing supposedly “disrupting”? Is it really just marketing cranking out metric tons of spam blogs?

I have been using it as a search replacement for most of the past month and only found two subtly wrong answers. This covers legal questions, researching product differences, wiring diagrams, suggesting books to read, correcting misremembered quotes, and about a hundred other tasks. Of course still relying on google in the background, but increasingly rarely, and presuming all the negative commentary we've been seein…

I'm going to echo other people's skepticism and give a concrete example that's easy to reproduce and which has virtually no dependence on real experience in the physical world. Try asking it about public transit wayfinding trivia. Pure text matching, well defined single letter / digit service names, closed system of semantic content. All there is are services and stations and each service is wholly defined by the list of stations it stops at and each station is wholly defined by the list of services that stop at it. This should be a language models bread and butter. No complexity, no outside context, just matching lists of text together.

I talked to it about the NYC subway. Every time I nudged it with a prompt to fix a factual error or omission, it would revise something I didn't ask for and introduce new errors. It was inconsistent in astounding ways. Ask it what stations the F and A have in common twice and you'll get two wrong answers. Ask it to make a list putting services in categories, it will put the same service into more than one contradictory category. Point this out, it will remake the list and forget to include that service entirely. And that's when it isn't confidently bullshitting about which trains share track and which direction they travel.

Bullshit is worse than a lie. For a lie is the opposite of the truth and thus always uncovered. But bullshit is uncorrelated with the truth, and may thus turn out to be right, and may thus cause you to trust the word of the bullshiter far more than they deserve.

Re: Open source solution replicates ChatGPT training process

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I have been using it as a search replacement for most of the past month and only found two subtly wrong answers. This covers legal questions, researching product differences, wiring diagrams, suggesting books to read, correcting misremembered quotes, and about a hundred other tasks. Of course still relying on google in the background, but increasingly rarely, and presuming all the negative commentary we've been seein…

Your entire post is questionable the moment you write something like "Google as we knew it is already dead". Yeah, no.

Yeah, it is.

Re: Open source solution replicates ChatGPT training process

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Even if it has not so much thing to do with intelligence?

I’m not sure about your definition of intelligence. Perhaps you think I’m saying ChatGPT and generative agents are somehow conscious. I don’t conflate consciousness with intelligence here. I can’t say whether or not ChatGPT is conscious (although I doubt it), but it’s pretty clearly intelligent by a reasonable definition. It’s an agent which is extremely effective at playing its game. A game which is incredibly open…

congrats on the level headed response to "is it conscious". We do not know is the only correct answer. I'm getting very annoyed with many simply stating that they aren't conscious without any real understanding. Folk scientism.

Re: Open source solution replicates ChatGPT training process

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"hitting 100 million monthly active users 2 months after its launch". I'm deeply suspicious of that number. It came from Similarweb, who track these things through analytics gathered from browser extensions. I trust this article more: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/03/technology/chatgpt-openai... "But two months after its debut, ChatGPT has more than 30 million users and gets roughly five million visits a day, two p…

Can someone tell me what the hell they use ChatGPT for? I tried it a few times and it always confidently gave me wrong results to basic things. What is this thing supposedly “disrupting”? Is it really just marketing cranking out metric tons of spam blogs?

I use it to write ansible tasks, and then clean it up. Saves typing out a bunch of YAML.

I also use it to generate utility functions for stuff I can't be bothered to write, like find the next valid IP address in a list of IPs.

I also used it a few times to learn about the history of countries like china and cambodia.

Even a few time when I've been banging my head against the wall with some faulty code, I asked it what was wrong and it told me exactly.

Re: Open source solution replicates ChatGPT training process

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> On a single multi-GPUs server, even with the highest-end A100 80GB GPU, PyTorch can only launch ChatGPT based on small models like GPT-L (774M), due to the complexity and memory fragmentation of ChatGPT. Hence, multi-GPUs parallel scaling to 4 or 8 GPUs with PyTorch's DistributedDataParallel (DDP) results in limited performance gains. Where are these numbers coming from? An 80GB A100 GPU is certainly more than capa…

> Once that dataset gets replicated, we can start talking about size. Hopefully LAION will deliver.

Is LAION starting a community project to rate model outputs? I didn't see anything on their site.

Re: Open source solution replicates ChatGPT training process

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"hitting 100 million monthly active users 2 months after its launch". I'm deeply suspicious of that number. It came from Similarweb, who track these things through analytics gathered from browser extensions. I trust this article more: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/03/technology/chatgpt-openai... "But two months after its debut, ChatGPT has more than 30 million users and gets roughly five million visits a day, two p…

Can someone tell me what the hell they use ChatGPT for? I tried it a few times and it always confidently gave me wrong results to basic things. What is this thing supposedly “disrupting”? Is it really just marketing cranking out metric tons of spam blogs?

Peabody College at Vanderbilt just apologized for using ChatGPT to write an email about school shootings.

Re: Open source solution replicates ChatGPT training process

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post #82
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been using it as a search replacement for most of the past month and only found two subtly wrong answers. This covers legal questions, researching product differences, wiring diagrams, suggesting books to read, correcting misremembered quotes, and about a hundred other tasks. Of course still relying on google in the background, but increasingly rarely, and presuming all the negative commentary we've been seein…

I'm going to echo other people's skepticism and give a concrete example that's easy to reproduce and which has virtually no dependence on real experience in the physical world. Try asking it about public transit wayfinding trivia. Pure text matching, well defined single letter / digit service names, closed system of semantic content. All there is are services and stations and each service is wholly defined by the lis…

I've been spending some time trying to get a sense of how it works by exploring where it fails. When it makes a mistake, you can ask questions in a socratic method until it says the true counterpart to its mistake. It doesn't comment on noticing a discrepancy even if you try to get it to reconcile its previous answer with the corrected version that you guided it to. If you ask specifically about the discrepancy it will usually deny the discrepancy entirely or double-down on the mistake. In the cases where it eventually states the truth through this process, asking the original question that you started with will cause it to state the false version again despite obviously contradicting what it said in the immediately previous answer.

ChatGPT is immune to the socratic method. It's like it has a model of the world that was developed by processing its training data but it is unable to improve its conceptual model over the course of a conversation.

These are not the kinds of logical failures that a human would make. It may be the most naturalistic computing system we've ever seen but when pushed to its limits it does not "think" like a human at all.

Re: Open source solution replicates ChatGPT training process

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"hitting 100 million monthly active users 2 months after its launch". I'm deeply suspicious of that number. It came from Similarweb, who track these things through analytics gathered from browser extensions. I trust this article more: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/03/technology/chatgpt-openai... "But two months after its debut, ChatGPT has more than 30 million users and gets roughly five million visits a day, two p…

Can someone tell me what the hell they use ChatGPT for? I tried it a few times and it always confidently gave me wrong results to basic things. What is this thing supposedly “disrupting”? Is it really just marketing cranking out metric tons of spam blogs?

It's replaced about 50% of my "first touch" queries to google. Obviously coding is great (particularly if you ask it for unit tests for more complex stuff, so you can verify the code and tweak any parts it gets wrong - sometimes the nature of the unit tests tell you what Chat thinks code is supposed to be doing) - I use it a lot for writing letters/interview feedback, letters of reference, etc... I used to do interview feedback with 5 or 6 bullet points and a ranking of 1-5, and was told that we need more material - So, originally I just started doing long form writing, and groused that what I was typing was semantically identical to my original stuff - but when Chat came out I just entered the bullet points and let Chat do the long form writing for me.

The key with Chat is that you need to always validate any statements of fact (or code) - as hallucination is a pretty consistent 30% or so of the queries I send it. Google is probably used 75% of the time when I need to go double check a fact to make sure it's actually based on reality.

Re: Open source solution replicates ChatGPT training process

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"hitting 100 million monthly active users 2 months after its launch". I'm deeply suspicious of that number. It came from Similarweb, who track these things through analytics gathered from browser extensions. I trust this article more: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/03/technology/chatgpt-openai... "But two months after its debut, ChatGPT has more than 30 million users and gets roughly five million visits a day, two p…

Can someone tell me what the hell they use ChatGPT for? I tried it a few times and it always confidently gave me wrong results to basic things. What is this thing supposedly “disrupting”? Is it really just marketing cranking out metric tons of spam blogs?

I had a conversation with it in Latin yesterday. I also just spent way more time than I care to admit on inquiries about late-18th/early-19th century governments. It seems better at providing high-level information than specifics. I consistently find errors in anything to do with dates or calculations, but it is accurate enough to be very useful to me. Much better than the vast majority of my elementary school teachers, at least.
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