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I hate our buttonless future. Absolutely nobody is asking for less buttons.
Similarly, buttons have to be obvious and provide consistent tactile feedback. So often they do not.
It seems that when the membrane switch came into vogue some decades ago we forgot about the rules of ergonomics.
It's time we brought them back.
I'm sure they'll do it since it saves money. I had a horrible time teaching my grandparents to use the gesture navigation on their new iPad (they still hate it, they still get regularly anxious because they can't reliably make the "home" gesture instead of clear feedback of a hardware button and there's many gestures they accidentally trigger which cannot be disabled in A11y or MDM settings) - but they saved money an…
> I'm sure they'll do it since it saves money. It’s not about money—we’re talking about pennies here. The Pro series iPhones start at $999. It’s always been an Apple thing to get rid of as many buttons, ports and cables as possible. Unlike other smartphones, the iPhone never had a physical keyboard or SD card slots. In the US, new iPhones no longer have SIM slots, only eSIM. So we shouldn’t be surprised that they may…
And companies will absolutely build a crappier product for you to save on manufacturing time. You're talking about a company that led the field by removing a headphone jack to make their manufacturing easier.
I'm sure they'll do it since it saves money. I had a horrible time teaching my grandparents to use the gesture navigation on their new iPad (they still hate it, they still get regularly anxious because they can't reliably make the "home" gesture instead of clear feedback of a hardware button and there's many gestures they accidentally trigger which cannot be disabled in A11y or MDM settings) - but they saved money an…
I fully agree with you for 100%. Personally, I don't mind the home gesture and although I sometimes get annoyed by weird gestures that I never knew I can deal with it. But, seeing my parents get anxious with their new ipad because they cannot reliably go back to the home screen, their "safe" environment, it makes me sad. A pro tip from your fellow young(er) person, enable AssistiveTouch [0] and at least give them an…
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The touchpad's feedback is implemented very low in the firmware, so it almost never fails to respond. The device needs to be catastrophically out of power or catastrophically locked up. Both states are not easy to achieve.
I had it 2 times in 7 years os continuous use of the Macbook. It is very rare indeed.
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Please don't be insulting like that, it's against HN guidelines, which you've broken two of (the other is insinuating someone hasn't read the article). I actually have extensive knowledge of ergonomics, which is why I'm asking. There are zero clues in the article, so I'd love an explanation. Because just to be clear -- haptic buttons activated by pressure are just as easily located by touch and require the same amoun…
1. Not once did I mention 'haptic' in my post so why did you raise it in your reply? 2. My comment is about poor and unacceptable ergonomics of much modern equipment and software and how it's getting worse—not better. My post is in support of Allison Johnson's story except that I've taken the wider more general case to point out that Apple is not alone in subverting good ergonomic design for manufacturing convenience…
Because that was the whole subject of the article -- replacing buttons that move with haptic-feedback buttons. And your comment was a response to the article.
And despite your lengthy reply, you still haven't suggested why replacing a physical depressed button with a haptic one has any ergonomic implications, given that the user interaction appears identical.
> I never make comments on HN that are deliberately intended to offend... given your nonsensical comment.
Well calling my comment "nonsensical" continues to offend, and it's awfully hard to see it as anything but deliberate. Again, I suggest you look at HN guidelines which you are continuing to break.
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I don’t quite follow - what is the reason? That you wish there was a haptic home button? iPhones never had haptic buttons on the front face - only real physical press buttons.
iPhones had haptics home buttons from iPhone 7 and up, so if you’ve used even an old iPhone at this point it wasn’t a “real” button. Same as the MacBook trackpads, people can’t tell the difference.
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I don’t quite follow - what is the reason? That you wish there was a haptic home button? iPhones never had haptic buttons on the front face - only real physical press buttons.
iPhones had haptics home buttons from iPhone 7 and up, so if you’ve used even an old iPhone at this point it wasn’t a “real” button. Same as the MacBook trackpads, people can’t tell the difference.
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I don’t quite follow - what is the reason? That you wish there was a haptic home button? iPhones never had haptic buttons on the front face - only real physical press buttons.
That’s not true. Starting with iPhone 7 the front home button is haptic solid state. It feels better than the old one and breaks less. For this reason, I’m totally fine with them doing the same for volume buttons. Also feels great on the AirPod pros
I jumped straight from an iPhone 6S to an iPhone XS, so I never got those... whoops!