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Re: EU sues Member States who refuse to bring in new copyright rules

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Post by forevergreenyon »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #55
account42 wrote: post #39

> They protect rightholders from different sectors At the expense of everyone else. > stimulating the creation and circulation of more high-value content Doubtful.

"Rightsholders", "stakeholders"... I cringe every time I read those words. Euphemisms for monopolists lobbying and weaponising the state in the defense of their monopolies.

they're families, lineages, of people living off 'having power' (but really, authority and prestige)

the time has come for them to remember what power is (without authority)

Re: EU sues Member States who refuse to bring in new copyright rules

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Post by hungryforcodes »

toyg wrote: post #52

To people getting their knickers in a twist: Bulgaria, Denmark, Finland, Latvia, Poland and Portugal, with all due respect, are hardly beacons of anti-copyright maximalism. Chances are that most of them simply couldn't be arsed to write the relevant laws, over a timespan that included such facetious events as a 2-year-long global pandemic. If I had to prioritize lawmaking, I would also put some copyright bullshit at…

More countries leaving the EU? It's not supposed to be a hostile union is it?

Re: EU sues Member States who refuse to bring in new copyright rules

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Post by slim »

sputr wrote: post #62

For everyone cringing at these new rules - just imagine what they would have been without Julia Reda (singular Pirate MEP at the time) who fought this law with everything that she had. We mustn't forget the many NGOs, and the fact that the Greens supported her in the fight. But Reda was something special.

FYI his name is Felix Reda now

Re: EU sues Member States who refuse to bring in new copyright rules

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Post by chimeracoder »

paulusthe wrote: post #56
nirimda wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a problem with any legislative process that begins with the executive obligating the country to adopt certain specific laws, and only then asks the legislature whether those certain specific laws should become the law of the land. I don't fully understand the logic of this kind of legislative process. If the EU can make it binding on member states to introduce a certain law, why not perform the entire proces…

This went through the EU Parliament. It was not an instruction handed down as dictat by an unelected bureaucrat or executive. The same process is how every other EU wide regulation goes into effect. EU passes it, the member states get their input during the EU process, and the member states are then obligated to abide by the rules. An analogous process, which is not a perfect analog but is similar, is how US federal…

> The states get their input on federal legislation at the federal level, but then must abide by the resulting federal law.

States have zero input on federal legislation (except constitutional amendments, which are rare, and not really "legislation").

Until the 17th Amendment, states had input via the Senate, but now that senators are elected directly by voters, states have no formal representation at the federal level.

Re: EU sues Member States who refuse to bring in new copyright rules

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Post by avtolik »

toyg wrote: post #52

To people getting their knickers in a twist: Bulgaria, Denmark, Finland, Latvia, Poland and Portugal, with all due respect, are hardly beacons of anti-copyright maximalism. Chances are that most of them simply couldn't be arsed to write the relevant laws, over a timespan that included such facetious events as a 2-year-long global pandemic. If I had to prioritize lawmaking, I would also put some copyright bullshit at…

True. Also a lot of other EU countries are being sued for not transposing other sets of laws. I think almost every EU country is being sued for something like this.

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Post by sputr »

slim wrote: post #83
sputr wrote: post #62

For everyone cringing at these new rules - just imagine what they would have been without Julia Reda (singular Pirate MEP at the time) who fought this law with everything that she had. We mustn't forget the many NGOs, and the fact that the Greens supported her in the fight. But Reda was something special.

FYI his name is Felix Reda now

Damn, you're right. Lost track after the EU elections, didn't know this happened. Well, my point still stands – damn fantastic MEP.

Re: EU sues Member States who refuse to bring in new copyright rules

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Post by thatguy0900 »

pyuser583 wrote: post #17
oblio wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It seems to be a process designed and intended to cause conflict and euroscepticism. Just like the EU itself, it's a compromise. Every member state wants to have its cake (economic benefits) and eat it, too (full sovereignty). That can't work because a deep economic integration is... surprise, surprise, a deep political and social integration. The EU Parliament is probably the only parliament in the world that I kn…

The US is very economically integrated with China. But it is not socially or politically integrated with China. Same could be said with US/Mexico, China/Taiwan, etc. The European Project sees social and political integration as ends themselves. It uses economic advantages as a way to convince voters to adopt policies that aren’t economically required.

Look into the influence the Chinese gov has on Hollywood and video games. The fact that the Chinese market is a economically profitable one makes all of our media kowtow to them, I would call that a social integration.

Re: EU sues Member States who refuse to bring in new copyright rules

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Post by lock-the-spock »

Y_Y wrote: post #5

> Today, the European Commission decided to refer 11 Member States to the Court of Justice of the European Union for failing to notify the Commission of transposition measures under two Directives with respect to copyright. > The Commission decided to refer Bulgaria, Denmark, Finland, Latvia, Poland and Portugal to the Court of Justice of the EU following their failure to notify complete transposition measures on cop…

Indeed. And just to flag that this is not at all unusual, rather it is a regular process of EU law making - the European Commission monitors and ensures that the 27 Member States all implement the jointly agreed laws. Most cases never go to trial/penalty stage, rather the infringement process itself serves to resolve the issue.

See here the 'infringement cases ' statistics. 874 such cases opened in 2021.

https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-making-process/applying...

Re: EU sues Member States who refuse to bring in new copyright rules

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Post by [deleted] »

Y_Y wrote: post #5

> Today, the European Commission decided to refer 11 Member States to the Court of Justice of the European Union for failing to notify the Commission of transposition measures under two Directives with respect to copyright. > The Commission decided to refer Bulgaria, Denmark, Finland, Latvia, Poland and Portugal to the Court of Justice of the EU following their failure to notify complete transposition measures on cop…

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Re: EU sues Member States who refuse to bring in new copyright rules

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Post by busterarm »

oblio wrote: post #20
pyuser583 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is very economically integrated with China. But it is not socially or politically integrated with China. Same could be said with US/Mexico, China/Taiwan, etc. The European Project sees social and political integration as ends themselves. It uses economic advantages as a way to convince voters to adopt policies that aren’t economically required.

> The US is very economically integrated with China. No, it's not. It is slightly economically integrated, and mostly in terms of physical goods. Are American IP laws applicable in China and the other way around? For example when licensing a Disney movie in the US, can I distribute it in China? Do you get warranty in China for any good sold in the US and vice versa? Do both countries use, by law, the same systems of…

The US has entire classes of financial instruments that are sold exclusively to the Chinese government.

You can't solely be linked by physical goods and it can't be one-sided. That results in trade imbalance which results in war. See the Opium Wars, for example.

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