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So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

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Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

#81

In my unasked-for opinion, he should absolutely give up on this project, and take a salaried job that'll let him support his family and not have to deal with the entitlement issues and lack of perspective the community evidently has. If half of what's in this post is true, he's shown admirable restraint: I'd have burned it all down the first time someone got pissy about a free thing I gave them.

The open source community can be wild sometimes. Back when I was still maintainer and lead dev for Gaim (not Pidgin), I would occasionally get downright hateful people e-mailing me for not implementing whatever feature they thought needed to be implemented, or not getting it implemented quickly enough. One guy managed to get ahold of my cell phone number somehow and called me at 4am to discuss "his ideas" with me for…

Loved Gaim. Got a lot of good use out of it. Thanks a bunch for your work.

Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

#82
post #26

In one of my previous jobs, my CTO asked me who I thought was the most important person in the company was. I wasn’t sure. He pointed to the lady who was responsible for entering and maintaining data, on which the entire business was built upon. She was a quiet person, who did her job exceptionally well. Yet, most people didn’t know her or didn’t realize her importance. I am certain she wasn’t paid that well either.…

What I'm really struggling with is how much this contrasts with the story for the developers of Dwarf Fortress, who don't get that same hate and vitro piled on them, and in fact, people throw money at them because they want the developers to have money. To the tune of like $9 million or something! Whereas this guy, pouring his heart into something useful and not for fun, gets all this hate shoveled his way? I really…

one touches people's emotions, the other doesn't.

Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

#83

He has made multiple posts like this and it always reeks of entitlement and disdain for his user base. Charge money if you want money. Don't give something for free and then complain. The real reason he doesn't charge is nobody would pay or someone would immediately fork the project and do it for free. The point of large open source projects like this is to parlay it into career opportunities, not expect every instal…

> ... someone would immediately fork the project and do it for free

He said he's tried to find others to maintain the project and no one will help. Dunno why it'd be any different if there was a fork.

> ... not expect every installer to give you a dollar.

He isn't asking for every installer to pay. He's asking for enough financial support to work on core-js full-time, which seems reasonable given how depended-on the library is.

Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

#84
post #70

I can sympathize with the author's troubles, and wish he finds a well-paid position that still allows him to work on OSS. That said, the idea that companies would pay for a JS library that is patching browser support is wild. Practically nobody pays for JS modules except for very specific niches (e.g. a charting library) or product/technical support. Especially when it's an indirect dependency of tools you use. Maybe…

> - The idea that companies would pay for a JS library that is patching browser support is wild. Companies make more money by having their websites work in older browsers. If it wasn't for core-js, they would be paying developer time to write polyfills or compile and maintain them from various other single polyfill packages. Surely if they are willing to pay developers to do this in return for increased profits they…

Yes, they would be paying for developers' time, and most likely never notice the difference.

The value added doesn't automatically translate into a viable model where that money ends up in the library author's hands. Companies sponsor projects for exposure, street cred, or pay for commercial features and support. They will not hand out the realized savings out of goodwill.

Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

#85

He has made multiple posts like this and it always reeks of entitlement and disdain for his user base. Charge money if you want money. Don't give something for free and then complain. The real reason he doesn't charge is nobody would pay or someone would immediately fork the project and do it for free. The point of large open source projects like this is to parlay it into career opportunities, not expect every instal…

> The point of large open source projects like this is to parlay it into career opportunities

Yeah, you are in the minority with that belief.

Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

#86
post #68

I can sympathize with the author's troubles, and wish he finds a well-paid position that still allows him to work on OSS. That said, the idea that companies would pay for a JS library that is patching browser support is wild. Practically nobody pays for JS modules except for very specific niches (e.g. a charting library) or product/technical support. Especially when it's an indirect dependency of tools you use. Maybe…

https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/2213682/154870832-...

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Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

#87
post #26

In one of my previous jobs, my CTO asked me who I thought was the most important person in the company was. I wasn’t sure. He pointed to the lady who was responsible for entering and maintaining data, on which the entire business was built upon. She was a quiet person, who did her job exceptionally well. Yet, most people didn’t know her or didn’t realize her importance. I am certain she wasn’t paid that well either.…

What I'm really struggling with is how much this contrasts with the story for the developers of Dwarf Fortress, who don't get that same hate and vitro piled on them, and in fact, people throw money at them because they want the developers to have money. To the tune of like $9 million or something! Whereas this guy, pouring his heart into something useful and not for fun, gets all this hate shoveled his way? I really…

If you look at the xkcd image again, he's near the bottom of the house of cards, whereas Dwarf fortress are at the surface

Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

#88

He has made multiple posts like this and it always reeks of entitlement and disdain for his user base. Charge money if you want money. Don't give something for free and then complain. The real reason he doesn't charge is nobody would pay or someone would immediately fork the project and do it for free. The point of large open source projects like this is to parlay it into career opportunities, not expect every instal…

35,725,818 weekly downloads.

I think he has earned the right to complain.

Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

#89
post #27

I recognize his challenges, but not sure if I can look past his victim blaming and "both sides bad" war rhetoric.

I'm shocked I have to scroll down so far to see someone complain about that. He absolutely is shifting 100% of the blame for him killing someone onto the person he killed.

Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

#90
post #16

It's definitely time for him to let this project go, working on it is a literally thankless task and the level of entitlement shown towards his work has been infuriating to watch. The outrage towards him daring to ask the community for help , something done in an act of desperation, is a real wake up call for open source maintainers - the community doesn't give a fuck about you, they want your code and they want it f…

> the community doesn't give a fuck

Well there are some backers out there:

https://www.npmjs.com/package/core-js

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