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From Swiping to Sexting: The Gender Divide in American Dating and Relationships

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Re: From Swiping to Sexting: The Gender Divide in American Dating and Relationships

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O__________O wrote: post #72
safety1st wrote: post #66

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You aren't hearing me acknowledge those things because I have not agreed to enter into a relationship with you where you coach me, or frankly one where you have any involvement in my personal life whatsoever. I am not interested in having that with you, so please do not presume. This is a forum for hackers and entrepreneurs. You are an entrepreneur who has run a string of dating startups. I am informing you about the…

Acknowledging alternative perspectives has nothing to do with agreeing with them or for that matter, partaking in them. Also, obviously aware that significant percentage of people focus on attributes that are a poor predictor of long term success in a relationship and have zero desire to engage that market; not to mention you falsely assume that your definition of an entrepreneur is same as mine. Lastly, happy to be…

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Re: From Swiping to Sexting: The Gender Divide in American Dating and Relationships

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Post by krapp »

yucky wrote: post #80
bitwize wrote: post #25

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There is far, far more reason to be worried about sources on the right than there is sources on the left. Right-aligned sources are much more likely to deny science, to skew information in a way that benefits corporate benefactors, and to contain bias against marginalized groups such as LGBTQ and even women.

Not sure I agree about the right being more likely to deny science, considering the way discussion around gender seems to work. I'm still trying to find out just how many there are, but nobody knows. Of course, we're not allowed to really discuss that though. Not sure that's very scientific..

Gender is a social construct[0], it is not defined by biological sex, although due to societal norms it often correlates, and can be influenced, by biological sex.

What isn't scientific (as is, no longer valid in scientific consensus[0]) is the premise that gender and biological sex are synonymous, and that, as your comment implies, transgender or nonbinary identity is a denial of science.

Just in case you're going to jump on to the title of the third article i posted below, note that it says gender is not just a social construct, rather than that it isn't such at all. I'll quote an excerpt from that article:

    Evidence that gender has some basis in biology, though, in no way implies a strict gender binary, nor negates the existence of transgender and non-binary identities. Many biology-based gender differences originate from the hormonal environment within the womb, which is very different on average for boys compared to girls. But there’s a huge variation in these environments, says Alice Eagly, psychology professor at Northwestern University. “Within boys there will be a range and within girls there will be a range. To say it’s biological doesn’t mean it’s perfectly binary,” she says.
[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction

[1]https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/what-do-we-mean-by-se...

[2]https://qz.com/1190996/scientific-research-shows-gender-is-n...

Re: From Swiping to Sexting: The Gender Divide in American Dating and Relationships

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Post by leereeves »

krapp wrote: post #82
yucky wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure I agree about the right being more likely to deny science, considering the way discussion around gender seems to work. I'm still trying to find out just how many there are, but nobody knows. Of course, we're not allowed to really discuss that though. Not sure that's very scientific..

Gender is a social construct[0], it is not defined by biological sex, although due to societal norms it often correlates, and can be influenced, by biological sex. What isn't scientific (as is, no longer valid in scientific consensus[0]) is the premise that gender and biological sex are synonymous, and that, as your comment implies, transgender or nonbinary identity is a denial of science. Just in case you're going t…

Some people are trying to restrict the word "gender" for political purposes, but it also continues to be used as a synonym of biological sex, a meaning that it has had for centuries.

> In the 15th century gender expanded from its use as a term for a grammatical subclass to join sex in referring to either of the two primary biological forms of a species, a meaning sex has had since the 14th century

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender

Re: From Swiping to Sexting: The Gender Divide in American Dating and Relationships

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Post by bitwize »

Dating is bullshit, online dating is bullshit squared. It's like this game where you have to carefully scrutinize the other person while hiding your own flaws and not letting on that you are carefully scrutinizing them. It's stressful in the way job interviews are stressful.

I only got married because I knew my wife really well -- for decades beforehand -- and so our relationship benefits from a sort of Lindy effect.

Re: From Swiping to Sexting: The Gender Divide in American Dating and Relationships

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Post by hairofadog »

leereeves wrote: post #83
krapp wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gender is a social construct[0], it is not defined by biological sex, although due to societal norms it often correlates, and can be influenced, by biological sex. What isn't scientific (as is, no longer valid in scientific consensus[0]) is the premise that gender and biological sex are synonymous, and that, as your comment implies, transgender or nonbinary identity is a denial of science. Just in case you're going t…

Some people are trying to restrict the word "gender" for political purposes, but it also continues to be used as a synonym of biological sex, a meaning that it has had for centuries. > In the 15th century gender expanded from its use as a term for a grammatical subclass to join sex in referring to either of the two primary biological forms of a species, a meaning sex has had since the 14th century https://www.merriam…

It changed in the 15th century, and it’s changing now. Language is like that.

Re: From Swiping to Sexting: The Gender Divide in American Dating and Relationships

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Post by krapp »

leereeves wrote: post #83
krapp wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gender is a social construct[0], it is not defined by biological sex, although due to societal norms it often correlates, and can be influenced, by biological sex. What isn't scientific (as is, no longer valid in scientific consensus[0]) is the premise that gender and biological sex are synonymous, and that, as your comment implies, transgender or nonbinary identity is a denial of science. Just in case you're going t…

Some people are trying to restrict the word "gender" for political purposes, but it also continues to be used as a synonym of biological sex, a meaning that it has had for centuries. > In the 15th century gender expanded from its use as a term for a grammatical subclass to join sex in referring to either of the two primary biological forms of a species, a meaning sex has had since the 14th century https://www.merriam…

Both science and language evolve over time, that isn't a political conspiracy.

The point is, only one of the two sides in this debate are denying current (not 14th century) science, and it isn't the side you or yucky seem to believe.

Re: From Swiping to Sexting: The Gender Divide in American Dating and Relationships

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Post by leereeves »

krapp wrote: post #86
leereeves wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people are trying to restrict the word "gender" for political purposes, but it also continues to be used as a synonym of biological sex, a meaning that it has had for centuries. > In the 15th century gender expanded from its use as a term for a grammatical subclass to join sex in referring to either of the two primary biological forms of a species, a meaning sex has had since the 14th century https://www.merriam…

Both science and language evolve over time, that isn't a political conspiracy. The point is, only one of the two sides in this debate are denying current (not 14th century) science, and it isn't the side you or yucky seem to believe.

No one denies, as your source says, that "neither the health of women nor men is simply a product of biology but is also influenced by sociocultural and psychological experience". That's science.

But trying to dictate that people only use a word in a new way and never use its traditional definition is not science, it's (Orwellian) politics.

And pretending that biology doesn't matter is denying the very science you quoted.

Finally, the major questions about trans rights aren't about science at all, they are about values and why institutions exist.

Do we separate boys and girls in sports because of gender roles (sociocultural), or to give girls an opportunity to play sports without competing against people made stronger by high testosterone (biology)?

Do we separate men's and women's prisons because of gender roles (sociocultural), or to prevent sex and pregnancy (biology)?

Etc.

Re: From Swiping to Sexting: The Gender Divide in American Dating and Relationships

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Post by leereeves »

hairofadog wrote: post #85
leereeves wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people are trying to restrict the word "gender" for political purposes, but it also continues to be used as a synonym of biological sex, a meaning that it has had for centuries. > In the 15th century gender expanded from its use as a term for a grammatical subclass to join sex in referring to either of the two primary biological forms of a species, a meaning sex has had since the 14th century https://www.merriam…

It changed in the 15th century, and it’s changing now. Language is like that.

I agree, it's not a new phenomenon, language changes all the time.

But while some language changes rise from the people, others (like this one) are dictated by powerful institutions.

Orwell described it well about 100 years ago. Change the meaning of words to make disagreement impossible. Newspeak "designed to diminish the range of thought".

Re: From Swiping to Sexting: The Gender Divide in American Dating and Relationships

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Post by hairofadog »

leereeves wrote: post #88
hairofadog wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It changed in the 15th century, and it’s changing now. Language is like that.

I agree, it's not a new phenomenon, language changes all the time. But while some language changes rise from the people, others (like this one) are dictated by powerful institutions. Orwell described it well about 100 years ago. Change the meaning of words to make disagreement impossible. Newspeak "designed to diminish the range of thought".

eyeroll

Re: From Swiping to Sexting: The Gender Divide in American Dating and Relationships

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Post by bitwize »

leereeves wrote: post #83
krapp wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gender is a social construct[0], it is not defined by biological sex, although due to societal norms it often correlates, and can be influenced, by biological sex. What isn't scientific (as is, no longer valid in scientific consensus[0]) is the premise that gender and biological sex are synonymous, and that, as your comment implies, transgender or nonbinary identity is a denial of science. Just in case you're going t…

Some people are trying to restrict the word "gender" for political purposes, but it also continues to be used as a synonym of biological sex, a meaning that it has had for centuries. > In the 15th century gender expanded from its use as a term for a grammatical subclass to join sex in referring to either of the two primary biological forms of a species, a meaning sex has had since the 14th century https://www.merriam…

It's not political. Which programs to allocate the government budget to is political. This is a human rights issue. Extensive research has been done into the relationship between the physical, psychological, and social aspects of sex and gender, and the definitions we use today reflect our current understanding of how these interact, acknowledging that some people's psychological and social selves may not correspond with their physical biology. Refusal to acknowledge these people's lived experience is pigheaded ignorance and rank bigotry.
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