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Re: Tell HN: Microsoft classifies own emails as junk

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Post by patja »

PaulHoule wrote: post #2

After failed Sears and Roebucks, I think Microsoft is the #2 company of all time for "the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing." It's notorious that they have a hard time replicating products that competitors make look simple: look how the Steam store really works for for games, or how Dropbox works so much better than Onedrive.

When OneDrive works it is nice. Problem is that when it doesn't work, you can be in for a hell of a ride trying to get it working.

I just finished spending more hours than I want to count trying to clean my dad's PC of all licensing and account connections to his former employer's use of Office and OneDrive and onto his personal account and license. In hindsight I wish I had just nuked and paved it, or bought him an iPad with keyboard and mouse.

Re: Tell HN: Microsoft classifies own emails as junk

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Post by replygirl »

qsort wrote: post #3
PaulHoule wrote: post #2

After failed Sears and Roebucks, I think Microsoft is the #2 company of all time for "the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing." It's notorious that they have a hard time replicating products that competitors make look simple: look how the Steam store really works for for games, or how Dropbox works so much better than Onedrive.

Yes, I can't wrap my head around the fact that VS Code and Teams came out of the same company. That the same people who thought "it's a good idea to use CS theory to add a type system to Javascript" are the same people who thought "it's a good idea to put ads in the start menu".

that the same people who made windows made windows

Re: Tell HN: Microsoft classifies own emails as junk

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Post by PaulHoule »

rchaud wrote: post #75
throw_pm23 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So "vice signalling", maybe?

I would love for society to return to using "virtue-signaling" and "vice-signaling" in their original meaning, instead of this contemporary linguistic hell where the former is a derogatory synonym for political correctness.

Won't happen.

3000 years from now conservatives will be reading from their "Old Testament" about the evils of political correctness even if they are hazy about the details as if Stanford was on the East Coast or the West Coast.

There was a blog post that got flagged this morning where somebody was complaining about those "In those house we believe signs..." which I haven't seen around for a year or so.

Re: Tell HN: Microsoft classifies own emails as junk

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Post by wrldos »

zvolsky wrote: post #9

The fact that Microsoft doesn't just whitelist their own domains speaks to their commitment to strict security measures and good engineering culture. Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.

Then they go and immediately go and shaft you with a set of non-opt-outable welcome emails with Windows 11. I think any credit due can be shoved up their ass.

Re: Tell HN: Microsoft classifies own emails as junk

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Post by JohnFen »

hooby wrote: post #41

It would seem they actually do whitelist some of their own stuff - specifically those weird "Microsoft Viva" emails that Outlook users get. A year or two ago, I did get Outlook to classify those emails as "Junk" automatically, by repeatedly reporting them - but then something changed, and after that they never were marked as "junk" again - no matter how often I do report them.

Those emails are awful, but in fairness to Microsoft, there is a link in them that takes you to the settings page where you can turn them off. It worked for me, and I haven't received another one after that.

Re: Tell HN: Microsoft classifies own emails as junk

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Post by closeparen »

zvolsky wrote: post #9

The fact that Microsoft doesn't just whitelist their own domains speaks to their commitment to strict security measures and good engineering culture. Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.

Teaching people to look for official communication from Microsoft in their spam folders invites phishing attacks. Fastmail puts a special seal on account-related communications from Fastmail; I think that’s good and wise.

Re: Tell HN: Microsoft classifies own emails as junk

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Post by replygirl »

rchaud wrote: post #75
throw_pm23 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So "vice signalling", maybe?

I would love for society to return to using "virtue-signaling" and "vice-signaling" in their original meaning, instead of this contemporary linguistic hell where the former is a derogatory synonym for political correctness.

since in contemporary western society we don't have commonly agreed-upon ideas of "good", "good" becomes an individualized, emotionally-driven thing about agreeability. in the absence of a standard, "the virtues" are replaced with the much more malleable concept of singular "virtue". so today "virtuous" just means "good" and "good" means "agreeable to my worldview", and since we've collectively conflated worldview with politics, having acceptable politics is, quite literally, signaling virtue.

point is that while it's disappointing for the west to lack a clear moral sensibility, the linguistics are perfectly coherent

Re: Tell HN: Microsoft classifies own emails as junk

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Post by supernova87a »

zvolsky wrote: post #9

The fact that Microsoft doesn't just whitelist their own domains speaks to their commitment to strict security measures and good engineering culture. Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.

Good engineering culture?

I hope this refers to something behind the scenes that I as a Hotmail/Outlook user am unable to see. Because UI and product-wise, I don't see much evidence at all that someone of a good engineering culture cares about the experience I'm having with the product.

More like a team phoning it in.

Re: Tell HN: Microsoft classifies own emails as junk

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Post by 98codes »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #62
hbn wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VS Code's selling point is that it's a middle-ground between (relatively) lightweight performance of a text editor, and power of an IDE. People are keeping an eye on performance, and they'll stop using it if it just becomes a bloated, master-of-none IDE. Teams' bread and butter is being "good enough" for enterprise. And they're also locked into a lot of bad early decisions they made since they don't want to break com…

What do people not like about Teams? I just started using it with a contract customer and it seems fine. Does what it says on the proverbial tin.

You running 64GB or 128Gb of ram?
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