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MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Bluntly, using psychiatric medication is an indicator of mental illness. And some people judge such people very negatively, presuming they are unfit to handle serious responsibility. This perspective is sometimes official; in Canada, commercial airline pilots can't take antidepressants without informing the government, and Transport Canada routinely suspends such pilots. [1] Physicians are subject to similar, if less…

> Being honest, if I found out a person has a long, serious history of depression, I would probably think they are less reliable. Being honest, I hope you never come close to managing a sizeable team. Self-admitted prejudices likes yours should never be remotely close to an authority and/or mentorship role.

As a person with mental health issues: people with such opinions are the vast majority, and therefore are also the majority of people managing sizeable teams. They aren't bad people, it's just how the world works.

It's also how people with mental health issues judge others with mental health issues: over how productive they are. For example, you have probably heard a lot about a functional, high-achieving person with ADHD person (because they are better at self-marketing, and because others easily see their value), but probably next to nothing about the low-functioning ADHD person who may never be able to hold down a job and has a patchy career. When a high-functioning "disabled person" is campaigning for greater workplace inclusivity, for instance, they're usually campaigning for other high-functioning people, not the low-functioning ones.

Functional people find low-functioning people less reliable. :( Partially because it is true, partially because it is a self-fulfilling prophecy, and partially because our society worships functionality (because it's what wins resources, at the end of the day).

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I still wouldn’t risk obtaining them legally, discretion is paramount for controversial medicine. One tiny data leak and your reputation is tarnished in certain circles, and that doesn’t even get into why the government knowing about it could be risky.

How could one possibly harm their reputation by using a legal medication

It could cause me some reputational harm if my buprenorphine injection was to become common knowledge (in theory, in practice my family, friends and boss are well aware of my treatment for opioid use disorder).

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> Being honest, if I found out a person has a long, serious history of depression, I would probably think they are less reliable. Being honest, I hope you never come close to managing a sizeable team. Self-admitted prejudices likes yours should never be remotely close to an authority and/or mentorship role.

As a person with mental health issues: people with such opinions are the vast majority, and therefore are also the majority of people managing sizeable teams. They aren't bad people, it's just how the world works. It's also how people with mental health issues judge others with mental health issues: over how productive they are. For example, you have probably heard a lot about a functional, high-achieving person with…

Maybe they aren't bad people[1], but they are people doing a bad thing.

[1] Whatever that means.

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No kidding! Might help, but won't cause harm, and you probably won't have to take it forever, matbe even just once? I know LSD has been attributed some harmful effects, does psilocybin have no chance of psychotic breaks or ???

recreational doses are not necessarily therapeutic doses if you are taking a psychedelic as part of some therapy regime it is not a tripping balls level dose

A therapeutic MDMA dose is basically equivalent to a recreational dose from the literature I've read. Not sure about psilocybin. Ketamine dosage definitely leads to tripping balls.

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I would peg Australia more as an authoritarian liberal country rather than conservative. Most states in the US are far more conservative than Australia. Australia IMHO has never broken out of the colonial mindset, where the government knows what is best for you. Beyond drugs, that includes pervasive censorship of movies, books, video games, Internet etc. The lack of First and Fourth amendment style protections means…

> The hypocrisy of it is quite transparent. Last I checked, possession of cannabis and X rated pornography is illegal in all states and territories of Australia, except for the Australian Capital Territory which is the equivalent of DC. Which of course is where most of the politicians are. Not to mention the pervasiveness of cocaine throughout the community, from tradies to barristers, doctors etc. The hypocritical n…

Just look at the price of cocaine compared to other similar countries (UK) and it's obvious that while drug use exists in Australia, that specific drug is used less frequently.

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> Remember this is Australia - a very conservative country Lol. Australia is less conservative than the US. We are much less religious, sex work is legal, and the drinking age is lower. Marijuana is widely available and accepted, and its legal status is irrelevant most of the time.

It's really a funny one. In many things we're very conservative, in others, much less so. And it's not quite clear why, in which areas. The US is a big place, and varies wildly state-to-state, so not worth comparing as a whole.

Yeah, it's patchy. Most porn being illegal and erectile dysfunction drugs not being covered by the PBS are two things that come to mind on the conservative side.

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I'd far prefer people overusing psychedelics than the current trend of overusing alcohol, painkillers, sleeping pills, etc.

you think people would substitute alcohol, opiates etc for psychedelics, and this would result in a net good? I think what would it actually happen is more and more unprepared members of the general public would have really bad trips.

Bad trips aren't as bad as they're portrayed. Many people improvements in well being even after bad trips:

https://www.psypost.org/2016/08/study-bad-trips-from-magic-m...

Can't say I ever experienced that after a hangover.

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This. I have no judgement and plenty of my own demons (alcohol). That said, the swing in my lifetime on marijuana legalization (as one example) is telling. From “smoke the devil’s lettuce and put your baby in the microwave” to “it’s natural, there are no negatives whatsoever” is very troubling. There is no free lunch and there absolutely are negative effects with all of these substances. Of course alcohol is the reig…

In Canada, everything seems to be fine despite it being legal for a few year now? People who smoked up, still smoke, people who didn’t still don’t. Really depends on culture and how things are being legalized, obviously. I don’t think any reasonable person says it has no negatives, but it’s just being treated as alcohol.

More people smoke/ingest THC now than did before legalization, but drinking also dropped after legalization. Time will tell which is better, but certainly the short term after-effects from THC are far more pleasant than those from alcohol.

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This is fantastic! I am generally very pro-psychadelic - they seem like they can offer unique aid to people and they are not very prone to abuse. The only "downside" is that, because outcomes vary widely (though are generally not negative, simply unhelpful), it's hard to call them "medicine" in the way that, say, asprin is medicine. However, with the proper understanding, I'm hopeful they can be a really helpful tool…

Can you drive on psilocybin?
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