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John Carmack’s ‘Different Path’ to Artificial General Intelligence

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Re: John Carmack’s ‘Different Path’ to Artificial General Intelligence

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Post by Jensson »

sudosysgen wrote: post #77
Jensson wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most math wizzes only learn to apply known methods, they don't invent new methods. The AI fields isn't full of people who are creative enough to invent new math methods instead of just applying methods they learned in school.

I disagree. I know of plenty of people in the AI field that might as well be mathematicians.

Most mathematicians aren't creative enough to invent new math methods either, they mostly just apply things they learned in school to find new results. Universities aren't good at finding nor nurturing creative individuals.

Re: John Carmack’s ‘Different Path’ to Artificial General Intelligence

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Post by dharma1 »

random314 wrote: post #11

> So, about four years ago, I went on one of my week-long retreats, where I just take a computer and a stack of reference materials and I spend a week kind of reimplementing the fundamentals of the industry. And getting to the point where it’s like, ‘All right, I understand this well enough to have a serious conversation with a researcher about it.’ And I was pretty excited about getting to that level of understandin…

He’s been working on machine learning long enough now to have some chance of success. It may go the way of his rocket ambitions (nothing comes out of it) but let the man try

Re: John Carmack’s ‘Different Path’ to Artificial General Intelligence

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Post by nhoughto »

mshake2 wrote: post #10

>And one of the things that I trained myself to do a few decades ago is pulling ideas out and pursuing them in a way where I’m excited about them, knowing that most of them don’t pan out in the end. Much earlier in my career, when I’d have a really bright idea that didn’t work out, I was crushed afterwards. But eventually I got to the point where I’m really good at just shoveling ideas through my processing and shoot…

I feel that, I’m often doing a thing thinking “this is wrong it won’t work for xyz” but continue because I want it to work, only to give in to what I knew a day+ ago but refused to acknowledge. It would definitely be more efficient to listen to.. myself, and kill things early.

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Post by TuringTest »

> So I asked Ilya Sutskever, OpenAI’s chief scientist, for a reading list. He gave me a list of like 40 research papers and said, ‘If you really learn all of these, you’ll know 90% of what matters today.’ And I did. I plowed through all those things and it all started sorting out in my head

I wonder what that list could be? I have always had trouble finding the essential scientific articles in an area of knowledge and separating them from the fashion of the day. A list compiled by an expert specifically for sharp learners is valuable on its own.

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Post by bagels »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #73
labrador wrote: post #12

This paragraph took me aback: But if I just look at it and say, if 10 years from now, we have ‘universal remote employees’ that are artificial general intelligences, run on clouds, and people can just dial up and say, ‘I want five Franks today and 10 Amys, and we’re going to deploy them on these jobs,’ and you could just spin up like you can cloud-access computing resources, if you could cloud-access essentially arti…

Wouldn’t this be literal slavery? AGI = a person Instantiating people for work and ending their existence afterward seems like the virtual hell that Iain M Banks and Harlan Ellison wrote about. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Sc...

It's going to take a long time for that to be true in a legal sense. Animals are not people. In practice even some people were not treated as people legally in the past (if not also in the present).

Re: John Carmack’s ‘Different Path’ to Artificial General Intelligence

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Post by unsupp0rted »

jimmcslim wrote: post #57

This will be a provocative question, but is there any form of AGI that won’t ultimately share the attributes of slavery? Can AGI exist without also creating an artificial consciousness/self-awareness?

And if it could, wouldn’t creating that be identical to creating Gammas and Deltas (i.e. intentionally mentally retarded clones who are pleased to serve you) in Brave New World?

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Post by NicoJuicy »

loveparade wrote: post #26

I'm always taken aback by this fascination and heroification with John Carmack (or similar figures) on HN. I love Doom and Quake too, but that doesn't qualify him any more than any other random senior engineer to work on something totally different. From his interviews it looks like he understands little about the technical details of ML, or about as much as anyone can learn in a few months, and is just banking on PR…

Are you sure not you're not mis interpreting him explaining it in a simple way?

His audience is not technical in an interview. He adjusts to that situation quite well.

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