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Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by stonogo »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #47
kitsunesoba wrote: post #18

I don't agree with all of the design choices in Elementary OS, but I appreciate the sense of craft it has that largely vanished from mainstream software from 2012-2014 onward in favor of a dollar store version of IKEA minimalism. I hope it can continue to carry that torch until the industry finds its way back.

Elementary OS is the pinnacle of a nice-looking OS with questionable technical decisions under-the-hood. The biggest one? No upgrades. You literally can't go from 5 to 6, or 6 to 7, without a full reinstall. There's not a terminal command for the adventurous either. That, to me, is extremely nasty. You have to take everything out of your computer, and put it back, every year to get the latest features and make sure y…

It's interesting that this is regarded as a problem for Elementary OS but the far-and-away market leader in Linux, Red Hat, makes the same decision. There is no supported upgrade path between RHEL major versions besides reinstallation.

This makes me wonder... is the policy itself problematic, or the support window the problem? If Elementary offered five- or seven-year support cycles, would the objection remain?

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by chrisdotcode »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #47
kitsunesoba wrote: post #18

I don't agree with all of the design choices in Elementary OS, but I appreciate the sense of craft it has that largely vanished from mainstream software from 2012-2014 onward in favor of a dollar store version of IKEA minimalism. I hope it can continue to carry that torch until the industry finds its way back.

Elementary OS is the pinnacle of a nice-looking OS with questionable technical decisions under-the-hood. The biggest one? No upgrades. You literally can't go from 5 to 6, or 6 to 7, without a full reinstall. There's not a terminal command for the adventurous either. That, to me, is extremely nasty. You have to take everything out of your computer, and put it back, every year to get the latest features and make sure y…

From what I understand, OSTree-based images[0] are in progress and will remediate this.

[0] https://github.com/elementary/os/pull/582

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by saagarjha »

segaboy81 wrote: post #28

I fully believe that Elementary survives only because 99% of those purported 400,000 downloads are really just YouTubers racing each other to apply some anime wallpaper and show it off on YouTube. I firmly believe that Elementary OS has no utility over Arch/Fedora/Ubuntu and that any income they receive from donors is money ill-spent.

I use it. It’s decently well-designed and follows Ubuntu LTS, which I need because that’s what CTFs typically use.

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by ClapperHeid »

Sigh! --I've said it before and I'll say it again: I know choice is great and all that but, fer feck's sake, why can't the "Linux world" [for want of a better phrase] get their heads round the fact that the problem with Linux is not a lack of alternate file managers, preference panels, installer screen animations or window dressing for the software store.... but the fact that the software store itself is glaringly empty.

I'm not a Linux hater. I use it on all my servers, my media centre and one of my desktops. I'd love to use it as my daily driver,as I loathe Apple and Microsoft. But, when I need to get work done, I use OSX because the applications I need don't exist on Linux and their Linux equivalents are piss-poor.

I imagine many people who use Windows are in the same boat.

As regards the operating system [in my case OSX], I very occasionally open System Preferences to adjust a system setting. And I use the Finder to move the odd file around. But for my actual day to day work, I hardly rub up against the OS at all. It's just the utility that runs in the background and lets me access other "stuff" I need to work with in the applications I actually use.

Given the number of Linux variants that exist, there must be hundreds of talented Linux programmers out there. Why [seemingly] do none of them turn these talents to coming up with something that actually serves a purpose and fills an application gap --rather than endlessly re-inventing the same basic utility applications as already exist in the eleventy billion other Linux distros already out there?

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by lproven »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #42
segaboy81 wrote: post #28

I fully believe that Elementary survives only because 99% of those purported 400,000 downloads are really just YouTubers racing each other to apply some anime wallpaper and show it off on YouTube. I firmly believe that Elementary OS has no utility over Arch/Fedora/Ubuntu and that any income they receive from donors is money ill-spent.

I like some of the built-in apps they have. They're nicely done and they're fast, I just wish regular Ubuntu would of adopted them into their ecosystem officially. I have no sane way to pull them into POP OS which I prefer for the OOTB experience I have.

Yes, it's based on Ubuntu, but it's not a remix. It's too different to be one:

- no Snap

- Flatpak instead

- Most standard Ubuntu apps missing

- In-house replacements for many Ubuntu standard components: their own browser, their own email client, their own calendar, their own media player, etc.

You can install the Pantheon desktop environment on standard Ubuntu.

https://askubuntu.com/questions/66757/how-to-install-the-pan...

P.S. > would of adopted them

* would _have_ adopted. "Would've" is short for "would have" not "would of" which never ever occurs in English. This is a common error but it drives me crazy.

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by giancarlostoro »

lproven wrote: post #89
giancarlostoro wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like some of the built-in apps they have. They're nicely done and they're fast, I just wish regular Ubuntu would of adopted them into their ecosystem officially. I have no sane way to pull them into POP OS which I prefer for the OOTB experience I have.

Yes, it's based on Ubuntu, but it's not a remix. It's too different to be one: - no Snap - Flatpak instead - Most standard Ubuntu apps missing - In-house replacements for many Ubuntu standard components: their own browser, their own email client, their own calendar, their own media player, etc. You can install the Pantheon desktop environment on standard Ubuntu. https://askubuntu.com/questions/66757/how-to-install-th…

English surprisingly (to most) is a second language for me so apologies, I always seem to forget the little nuance.

Also, I really just want their "Code" editor, but I don't want the headache of compiling it, I want it installed as a package, but its a pain to find it for me, not sure if I'm Googling incorrectly, but their editors name is not SEO friendly at all.

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