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Re: The Pirate Bay Will Stop Serving Torrents

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Post by chrisdroukas »

GHFigs wrote: post #80
cookiecaper wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The RIAA and other major music industry players may have no future, but there is definitely a profitable future for a "music industry" populated by entities that are willing to adjust to the modification in distribution channels and consumption habits. As it stands, the old-fashioned fogies are simply in denial and doing their best to prevent the marketplace from changing because they don't know how to use the new te…

they don't know how to succeed in the new marketplace Who does, in your opinion?

I'm with you on this one. It's less that the RIAA and major labels 'don't know how to use the new technology and...succeed in the new marketplace' so much as we're currently (still) in an in-between stage of market control.

Take for example Radiohead or Louis CK. Their previous successes allowed them to produce, release and distribute independently of big entertainment — but I don't think we're at the point where a small independent artist can effectively take their own music to market in a manner comparable to using a label. I don't have data to back this opinion, but high profile successes in independent distribution have been biased toward artists who were well-known and previously successful.

Re: The Pirate Bay Will Stop Serving Torrents

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Post by noch »

tomp wrote: post #62
noch wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When multiple downloads of the same file are available it's usually beneficial to see and select the one with the highest number of seeds. If DHTs become the norm, will it still be possible to obtain and use such data?

If I understand magnet protocol correctly, it doesn't matter. If two files are the same, they have the same hash, so the system (DHT) cannot tell them apart. If the files are different (e.g. 256 and 320 bitrate mp3 files), then that is a completely different problem.

I should have been precise: how does one determine the number of seeds for a given piece of data e.g. when the same movie at different resolutions is available, that is, different hashes?

Re: The Pirate Bay Will Stop Serving Torrents

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Post by dfxm12 »

chrisdroukas wrote: post #81
GHFigs wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they don't know how to succeed in the new marketplace Who does, in your opinion?

I'm with you on this one. It's less that the RIAA and major labels 'don't know how to use the new technology and...succeed in the new marketplace' so much as we're currently (still) in an in-between stage of market control. Take for example Radiohead or Louis CK. Their previous successes allowed them to produce, release and distribute independently of big entertainment — but I don't think we're at the point where a s…

I don't think it is fair to compare Radiohead or Louis CK to that of a lesser known artist in this regard, because the bias is all in the media coverage.

Bands have been self releasing (outside of "big entertainment") since well before digital distribution, because signing to a label isn't always feasible (financially or creatively). Digital distribution makes just makes this even easier.

You only know about Louis CK & Radiohead because that is that the media covering. Digital distribution & artists self releasing material is happening and has been for a while, but no one knows because unless they are already into these lesser known bands & record labels. You have to think of it like this: "Lesser known artists can be more successful by releasing their own material digitally than they would by signing with a label." Or "This independent record label can lower their overhead and make things easier for their bands by embracing digital distribution."

Re: The Pirate Bay Will Stop Serving Torrents

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Post by tdoggette »

sp332 wrote: post #37
ben0x539 wrote: post #15

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There isn't really a reason the piratebay web interface couldn't display that info for you anyway.

If users only upload the magnet file, the TPB wouldn't even know how big the file is, unless their servers queried the DHT for the .torrent file and extracted the data.

Right, that's what they'd have to do.

Re: The Pirate Bay Will Stop Serving Torrents

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Post by william42 »

noch wrote: post #82
tomp wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I understand magnet protocol correctly, it doesn't matter. If two files are the same, they have the same hash, so the system (DHT) cannot tell them apart. If the files are different (e.g. 256 and 320 bitrate mp3 files), then that is a completely different problem.

I should have been precise: how does one determine the number of seeds for a given piece of data e.g. when the same movie at different resolutions is available, that is, different hashes?

I think that when you use a magnet link it either includes the tracker (which is the part of BitTorrent that tracks the seeds) in the text of the link or uses a more sophisticated technology called a Distributed Hash Table.

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Post by beedogs »

ColdAsIce wrote: post #73
beedogs wrote: post #72

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The production, the marketing the, distribution... EVERYTHING has changed for the music industry in about 15 years. They have no future unless the Internet is tightly controlled (which it cannot be.)

" Internet is tightly controlled (which it cannot be.)" Oh, it can be controlled alright. SOPA, PIPA today, tomorrow FIPA, DIPA and FuckInternetPA. One of them will pass, then more and more. And then you're sitting on cable tv. Clicked that link? Invoice has been mailed to you. Clicked that link? House search. Clicked that link? Prison cell prepared. Thank you and good bye. Oh, you will watch what you do online, you…

Sadly, you're probably right. It won't be long, 10 years tops, before the US is doing deep packet inspection and hijacking sessions as a matter of course.

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Post by akadruid1 »

tomp wrote: post #63
Zirro wrote: post #18

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Sadly, that hasn't prevented censorship of "neutral" keywords before. See: https://torrentfreak.com/googles-anti-piracy-filter-110712

Maybe the next file-sharing protocol should be named `apple`.

I can't see that working - any more than giving your DVD protection scheme the same acronym as a common file format (CSS) to prevent people finding ways to defeat it.

Re: The Pirate Bay Will Stop Serving Torrents

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Post by tomp »

akadruid1 wrote: post #87
tomp wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the next file-sharing protocol should be named `apple`.

I can't see that working - any more than giving your DVD protection scheme the same acronym as a common file format (CSS) to prevent people finding ways to defeat it.

My point was only that it couldn't be censored in the same way - if Google would remove Apple from suggest, it would clearly be viewed as a monopolistic/anti-competitive action.

Re: The Pirate Bay Will Stop Serving Torrents

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Post by kalmi10 »

noch wrote: post #51
gojomo wrote: post #26

Hey! I invented the magnet link, almost 10 years ago. Great to see it still evolving and spreading, based simply on its loosey-goosey merits.

When multiple downloads of the same file are available it's usually beneficial to see and select the one with the highest number of seeds. If DHTs become the norm, will it still be possible to obtain and use such data?

uTorrent 3.1 added support for BEP33 (DHT scrape), so apparently the answer is yes. http://bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0033.html
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