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Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by newyankee »

grapehut wrote: post #72

These stories leave a bad taste in my mouth. It hasn't yet gone to court, so the guys allegations could be really be anything from the God's honest truth all the way to a complete fabrication. Yet there is a huge amount of irreparable damage by public stories like this. I was once personally on the receiving end of a complete false sexual harassment allegation from a coworker almost at random (someone I had almost no…

I know someone who lost his entire life, children and financial condition after being levied with false cases in urban India. Yes, even in a country like India in the urban and educated areas the laws are so anti male that there is not much a person can hope for. He was acquited after many years but the wife did not face any legal repercussions.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by seadan83 »

tonfreed wrote: post #33
siva7 wrote: post #7

Seems like no one believes him. Let's be honest: How often have you heard news about a woman molesting a man vs. a man molesting a woman?

It shouldn't be a competition. If a man abuses his power over a female (or male, for that matter) employee, then they should have the book thrown at them. The same should apply for women. I hate the level of politicisation over this, it's a shitty thing to do no matter who does it.

It's one of those, "see, woman can do X too, so why are we so focused on only men doing X"

Similar too, "white people are shot by cops". Similar to "white people are discriminated against in colleges".

The point is true it is shitty no matter. Though, now the conversation is shifted if a person were to focus on root causes of either problem. Overall, false equivalence.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by NeverFade »

riffraff wrote: post #62
NeverFade wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> More curious is the very direct "your team is too male" and the encouragement to fire someone. Everyone in tech knows this is happening, and it's illegal, but nobody will do anything about it. Similar to ageism back in the 2000s.

> Similar to ageism back in the 2000s. do you believe ageism "solved", or do you mean it's something people talk about openly these days? I thought it was discussed in the 00s too.

I think it's much less of a problem these days, partly because the talent crunch forced tech companies to hire older employees as well.

It's still present, but not as rampant and intense as it was. Also, note that it was discussed and acknowledged at the time, but that didn't magically make it go away. Zuck stated on record that if you're over 30, successful companies should not employ you, and he was the founder, owner, and chief exec of a major tech corporation.

Everyone knew it was going on, it was also acknowledged, and it was illegal, yet nobody did anything about it, and it kept going. Dispels your illusion of how illegal / immoral practices just go away when they are exposed. The current trend of gender and race-based discrimination won't just go away by itself, either.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

#84

Post by ipaddr »

shycha20 wrote: post #60

In all honesty, if these things had happened to me, I would've kept quiet since most people won't believe a 20-something male. I was in high school when two of the girls (who were considered hot in our class) grouped me and rubbed their breasts against my back. When I told one of the lady teachers about the issue, she thought I was crazy and making things up.

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Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

#85

Post by alwayslikethis »

grapehut wrote: post #72

These stories leave a bad taste in my mouth. It hasn't yet gone to court, so the guys allegations could be really be anything from the God's honest truth all the way to a complete fabrication. Yet there is a huge amount of irreparable damage by public stories like this. I was once personally on the receiving end of a complete false sexual harassment allegation from a coworker almost at random (someone I had almost no…

Is it possible to lawyer up and sue for defamation?

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

#86

Post by caminante »

kodah wrote: post #18

Probably worth noting this story was first published by the New York Post. Take that for what you will. That said, this is a pretty wild turn of events. From the initial and continued sexual harassment/assault to the racism, and subsequent retaliation. More curious is the very direct "your team is too male" and the encouragement to fire someone. I've heard this hinted at before, but never said out loud for obvious re…

> Probably worth noting this story was first published by the New York Post. Take that for what you will.

Instead of an ad hominem dogwhistle, please describe how the paper's political leanings could bias its reporting here.

At face value, it's workplace sexual assault allegations with a power imbalance.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

#87

Post by CoastalCoder »

I was interested to notice how I formed my initial guess about the man's credibility.

The factors included:

- How attractive was he vs. the woman?

- I noticed he has 7 kids, and went to Providence College. So I'm guessing a devout Roman Catholic, which would mean he (publicly, at least) has a world view that values marital fidelity.

- In his LinkedIn profile [0], he claims that his family started basically a charity ice-cream shop. And the start date is 5 months before the first alleged sexual harassment. I guessed that a family with a distressed marriage would probably be unable to pull that off.

- On the other hand, IIUC, it seems like he's in marketing, which would mean he's got experience managing his companies' brand as well as his personal brand. So that raised my guard a little.

[0] https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanolohan/

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by qazpot »

newyankee wrote: post #81
grapehut wrote: post #72

These stories leave a bad taste in my mouth. It hasn't yet gone to court, so the guys allegations could be really be anything from the God's honest truth all the way to a complete fabrication. Yet there is a huge amount of irreparable damage by public stories like this. I was once personally on the receiving end of a complete false sexual harassment allegation from a coworker almost at random (someone I had almost no…

I know someone who lost his entire life, children and financial condition after being levied with false cases in urban India. Yes, even in a country like India in the urban and educated areas the laws are so anti male that there is not much a person can hope for. He was acquited after many years but the wife did not face any legal repercussions.

India has had a long standing culture of torturing and burning because of dowry and female foeticide.

However, the judicial system instead of fixing the problem went ahead and created lopsided insane laws which are now being exploited.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

#89

Post by NeverFade »

jxramos wrote: post #76
NeverFade wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If such a situation occured with my boss I could just resign and have a new job in a couple weeks. Why should you leave your job because a criminal chose to sexually assault you? Yes, you could find a new job, but what if you're months away from a major stock grant, a bonus, completing an important project? Just because you're an engineer doesn't mean there's no penalty to quitting suddenly because someone victimiz…

Usually you mention that sort of compensation opportunity cost and the hiring company can match it with a sign on bonus to make a pain free transition.

We're really assuming a lot about the new employer here. Let's not get too smug about the great employment market we've had for the past decade. It may not last forever, or much longer.

Also, it depends on the opportunity cost. It's great to think you're such a great guy that any employer will pay anything to have you, but that's simply not true for most people. If you're losing out on a major grant or bonus, that could be far more than the new employer is willing to pay. I know because I've been in these situations, on both sides of the table. If we budgeted $500k for some job, you're not getting an extra $250k just because you'd about to get that in two months if you stayed with your current employer.

And no new employer can compensate you for the right to mention on your resume that you completed a major project you were 6 months from completing when some criminal decided to harass you.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by bluefirebrand »

eh9 wrote: post #67
0xcafefood wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Had a manager at one job tell me explicitly that they gave an interview to a candidate but knew it wouldn't move forward to a hire since they wanted to hire a woman. I felt gross hearing and knowing that but it was said and not written so there was nothing I could do about it. And I probably would've gotten fired for raising an issue even if I did have that in writing.

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I dunno where you all are working but I've never worked on any software team that was exclusively white and male.
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