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Re: Domain Registry Takes Sci-Hub’s .SE Domain Name Offline

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Post by breck »

gruez wrote: post #41
breck wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Copyrights and patents are very reasonable and necessary frameworks No, they are not. They are moronic. Everything they touch gets worse. (C)opywrongs and Patents gave us the Opioid Crisis and worse than useless mRNA vaccines. Public domain has given us 99% of life saving medicines and numbers and binary notation and the theory of relativity and the World Wide Web and SQLite.

>(C)opywrongs and Patents gave us the Opioid Crisis copyrights isn't even a factor when it comes to drugs, it's primarily patents and regulatory approval. The fact that you casually lump them together suggests that you don't understand what you're even arguing against. >and worse than useless mRNA vaccines. Alright I'll bite. Can you elaborate on how they're "worse than useless"? The clinical trials at least show the…

> The fact that you casually lump them together suggests that you don't understand what you're even arguing against.

On the contrary, the fact you don't see how they both are at play suggests the opposite. Patented drugs are always inferior, but the truth has a hard time getting out due to (c)opywrong laws. (https://longbets.org/855/)

> Alright I'll bite. Can you elaborate on how they're "worse than useless"?

Follow this $1M bet for the truth: https://blog.rootclaim.com/rootclaim-accepts-500000-challeng...

>> Public domain has given us 99% of life saving medicines > And how many of those were patented at one point?

None. Very few of the most critical medicines are modern inventions. And the ones that are patented aren't still made, because you can alway assume the patented version of a drug is the worse version of said drug (a patent encourages stagnasis and disincentivizes shipping an improved, non-patented version). Most life saving medicines were figured out by people far before patents. Humans made it out of the forest and figured out what plants and animal products will sustain you, heal you, and kill you, all without the aid of lawyers nor a patent system. The idea that people wouldn't try to invent new life saving medicines unless they had some bizarre legal system that grants a monopoly is one of the stupidest positions I've ever heard. The incentive is if you invent such a medicine you don't die, or your kids don't die, or your family doesn't die, or your friends don't die. There are no stronger incentives than those.

> not patentable. From wikipedia:

But they were (c)opyrightable. I have an original 1920 first edition copy of Albert Einstein's Theory of Relativity and he put it in the public domain.

Re: Domain Registry Takes Sci-Hub’s .SE Domain Name Offline

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Post by flir »

kragen wrote: post #61
zozbot234 wrote: post #16

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Human-readable names can potentially be pseudo-random, and thus securely generated. What's hard (indeed, considered largely infeasible) is meaningful , decentralized, secure names.

it was considered infeasible until bitcoin demonstrated that it was feasible, as zooko agreed: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/squarezooko http://web.archive.org/web/20210118172102/https://squaretria...

The problem I've got with any signed, cryptographically secure replacement for DNS (including a blockchain-backed solution) is that over time names will be lost. Just like bitcoins get lost.

You need some kind of "admin access" for the system that can fix things like lost keys, at which point you might as well stick with DNS.

Re: Domain Registry Takes Sci-Hub’s .SE Domain Name Offline

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Post by kragen »

flir wrote: post #83
kragen wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it was considered infeasible until bitcoin demonstrated that it was feasible, as zooko agreed: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/squarezooko http://web.archive.org/web/20210118172102/https://squaretria...

The problem I've got with any signed, cryptographically secure replacement for DNS (including a blockchain-backed solution) is that over time names will be lost. Just like bitcoins get lost. You need some kind of "admin access" for the system that can fix things like lost keys, at which point you might as well stick with DNS.

or you could stick with losing the names

aaronsw proposed that you could expire unrenewed names after 12 months

i forget what solution namecoin and ens use

Re: Domain Registry Takes Sci-Hub’s .SE Domain Name Offline

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Post by Stratoscope »

politician wrote: post #46
teddyh wrote: post #13

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The “rent-seeking certificate infrastructure” could be solved if web browsers used the DNS (and DNSSEC) to validate certificates. The DNS, on the other hand, is more tricky. If you want human-readable and globally distinct (and stable) names, you have to have a centralized structure to keep track of who has what name. The best we could come up with was the DNS, which is at least hierarchical instead of completely mon…

I think something that is overlooked in this discussion is the idea that names must be unique. If we relax this constraint, the solution space opens up significantly. I don’t believe uniqueness is a fundamental requirement of a name service because I don’t believe that a human-readable string itself carries sufficient information to be trustworthy in and of itself. (Sorry for the delayed reply, my account is heavily…

I wonder if you are just seeing the standard five-minute delay that everyone gets when replying inline in a thread. That delay is indeed intended to discourage too-fast back and forth comments, which sometimes lead to arguments.

If that is what you've encountered, you can bypass the delay by clicking the timestamp of the comment you want to reply to. This opens the comment in its own page with a reply box.

Re: Domain Registry Takes Sci-Hub’s .SE Domain Name Offline

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Post by flir »

kragen wrote: post #84
flir wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem I've got with any signed, cryptographically secure replacement for DNS (including a blockchain-backed solution) is that over time names will be lost. Just like bitcoins get lost. You need some kind of "admin access" for the system that can fix things like lost keys, at which point you might as well stick with DNS.

or you could stick with losing the names aaronsw proposed that you could expire unrenewed names after 12 months i forget what solution namecoin and ens use

I hadn't considered expiry. That does lets lost names re-enter the pool, at least, even if not under the control of the original owner.

Re: Domain Registry Takes Sci-Hub’s .SE Domain Name Offline

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Post by [deleted] »

flir wrote: post #83
kragen wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it was considered infeasible until bitcoin demonstrated that it was feasible, as zooko agreed: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/squarezooko http://web.archive.org/web/20210118172102/https://squaretria...

The problem I've got with any signed, cryptographically secure replacement for DNS (including a blockchain-backed solution) is that over time names will be lost. Just like bitcoins get lost. You need some kind of "admin access" for the system that can fix things like lost keys, at which point you might as well stick with DNS.

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Re: Domain Registry Takes Sci-Hub’s .SE Domain Name Offline

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Post by sneak »

tptacek wrote: post #79
idlewords wrote: post #45

I just wanted to take a moment to say what a lifechanging tool sci-hub has been for research. In doing research for a big writing project on Mars I ended up with a folder of maybe 800 scientific and technical papers, some of them dating back to 1910. This is material it would have been hard to collect even with access to a major university library. Online publishers, meanwhile, demand extortionate per-paper fees for…

I think I'm probably HN's most fervent copyright supporter, and I want to find a way to disapprove of Sci-Hub; it feels like cheating? Like sidestepping the real issue, of how journals are organized? But I can't take myself seriously trying to argue that. Even my kids, who are both practicing scientists at institutions with official access to all these papers, use Sci-Hub to get stuff.

May someone who supports the free sharing of Sci-Hub be the most fervent copyright supporter we have to convert.

Yar.

Re: Domain Registry Takes Sci-Hub’s .SE Domain Name Offline

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Post by ipaddr »

kelthuzad wrote: post #64
teddyh wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The “rent-seeking certificate infrastructure” could be solved if web browsers used the DNS (and DNSSEC) to validate certificates. The DNS, on the other hand, is more tricky. If you want human-readable and globally distinct (and stable) names, you have to have a centralized structure to keep track of who has what name. The best we could come up with was the DNS, which is at least hierarchical instead of completely mon…

>land grab model where the person who snagged a name 30 years ago now owns it forever for free? This is already the case with the current dns, since paying $10 per year is pretty much nothing to any middle class investor, so they do in fact "own" it forever for "free", relatively speaking.

If I had 10 dollars a year from everyone saying this I would be a new FAANG. Why is everything aimed at middle class Americans.. the average salary around the world is a lot smaller and many domains extensions exists which Americans can't buy.

The early adopters got the first twitter names, instagram names, etc for free forever. People invested time signing up when you never thought of it and they get rewarded.. the platform gets the early adopters. We don't force users to pay and let other take the name and continue to be that person.

Domains should be the same. When a domain expires someone can buy it and pretend they are the original owners.

If they were free you could buy coolformatbestnamecoolformat still get the name you wanted and use a prefix postfix custom format to identify with a group. rubycooldomainruby reactcooldomainreact

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