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Kevin Mitnick Hacked California Law in 1983

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Re: Kevin Mitnick Hacked California Law in 1983

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If you send him $10 cash in the mail with a self-addressed stamped envelope, he will send you back one of his business cards, which is a lock pick set. One of my most prized possessions.

$10 is way too much for something so average.

I disagree. If you're a fan of Mitnick, or know a lot of his story, I think it's a perfectly reasonable fee. It costs money to make them, they are metal by the way. You can either meet him in person, pay for his services, or buy a business card. I love it.

Re: Kevin Mitnick Hacked California Law in 1983

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I feel like people dichotomize too much... I would never don a black hat, but the world is much grayer than some make it out to be. I simply wish to explore friend :-)

I understand, but afaik libera.chat does not even offer grey hat channels, it's mostly above board but certainly alive and well

The line between gray and black is so fuzzy it's best to keep such things offline, thanks for the lead on purely technical discussions :3

Re: Kevin Mitnick Hacked California Law in 1983

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The one time I met him he told me to go fuck myself. (I was taping his talk, pro bono for the con, and asked him to speak into the mic for a sound check since we'd had issues with the previous speaker.)

But did he say that into the mic?

No.

Re: Kevin Mitnick Hacked California Law in 1983

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>Defcon is basically run by a gang No, Derby was run by a gang. (The 303 could probably be RICO'd) I cannot confirm or deny that Defcon is where the event occured, especially since it was technically just an event at a casino, as many things occuring on the same days as Defcon occur. >a gang that values loyalty and dedication above most things.. which has historically low standards of ethics for their goons and atten…

> I actually was told by someone at my last Defcon they were boycotting CCC because they allowed Nazi imagery or something to that effect, which surprisede me given... you know... Germany. Yeah, there's no way that is true. I could easily see it happen the other way round, some edgy American kid turning up with a swastika shirt, getting thrown out, and throwing a tantrum because muh free speech, when he should be hap…

Maybe I'm conflating being supportive of Trump / Trump hats at cons with literal swastikas.

(The few who donned them at Defcon were not given a warm welcome, to put it mildly.)

I was very jet lagged and had self medicated a lot due to death threats plus being in an abusive living situation (so desparately seeking employment to take me out of precarity) -- I wasn't taking detailed notes.

But it was a prominent person who made the claim, maybe they were inventing a reason to avoid DE, who knows.

There's been some dark things in the community

Re: Kevin Mitnick Hacked California Law in 1983

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>Defcon is basically run by a gang No, Derby was run by a gang. (The 303 could probably be RICO'd) I cannot confirm or deny that Defcon is where the event occured, especially since it was technically just an event at a casino, as many things occuring on the same days as Defcon occur. >a gang that values loyalty and dedication above most things.. which has historically low standards of ethics for their goons and atten…

>I don't want to kiss ass to war criminals. Context? >I never felt welcome at Defcon, it was like being in high school at the pool table They are like any clique but taken to the extreme. To me what's interesting is seeing how people change over time as they get older. What is old is new again, until you get married and have kids. A lot of white knights in the community as well who hide dirty secrets and make big noi…

>>I don't want to kiss ass to war criminals.

>Context?

Iraq was a war crime and CMU doesn't have any distinction between the FFRDC and the uni. And the security staff at Defcon, a lot are ex CIA or special forces.

>I've had someone legit tell me they didn't want to associate with me implying that it was bad for business despite the fact they helped me personally financially. The message between the lines was that somehow, they thought I was going to cause issues with attendance in their classes or association. Meanwhile, they are probably the most prominent member of the community. Absolutely ridiculous grandstanding.

No one from the so called hacker community has given me so much as a couch to crash on, I don't feel welcome in it.

I used to travel more, the "hostel people" were quite kind, but that's nothing to do with hacking per se and I'm at an age I'd be intruding if I got a bed in a dorm. (People don't use them like they used to, everything is a party now it seems -- the last place I stayed that threw people out for making noise in the sleeping areas and the like went out of business.)

> A lot of white knights in the community as well who hide dirty secrets and make big noise about other people to deflect attention from themselves.

Yeah I knew at least one guy who handed out a lot of unwanted hugs who now rolls with the so called badass army. People are performative.

Re: Kevin Mitnick Hacked California Law in 1983

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Yes, it's the POPL talk. Thanks for digging it up for me. I had a nice conversation with her after her talk about her work.

I remember this talk! The speaker recommended doing this with the tax code because it was one of the most mechanical -- very little inherent ambiguity, there's just a lot of surface area to cover, so it's a great candidate for actually applying formal methods to.

You'll probably remember me being there, I was the nerdy guy.

Oh wait, everyone was a nerdy person!

Re: Kevin Mitnick Hacked California Law in 1983

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I remember this talk! The speaker recommended doing this with the tax code because it was one of the most mechanical -- very little inherent ambiguity, there's just a lot of surface area to cover, so it's a great candidate for actually applying formal methods to.

You'll probably remember me being there, I was the nerdy guy. Oh wait, everyone was a nerdy person!

I was starstruck enough just sitting next to Daniel Friedman ^_^;

Re: Kevin Mitnick Hacked California Law in 1983

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>Defcon is basically run by a gang No, Derby was run by a gang. (The 303 could probably be RICO'd) I cannot confirm or deny that Defcon is where the event occured, especially since it was technically just an event at a casino, as many things occuring on the same days as Defcon occur. >a gang that values loyalty and dedication above most things.. which has historically low standards of ethics for their goons and atten…

CCC was a lot of fun. At the time there was a special package for people from the US for hostel+admission so that no one would be stuck with airfare and no ticket. Had a great time, ended up talking the night away at the hostel bar with the keynote speaker and didn't realize who it was. (not creepy, just fun hacker talk)

it's not creepy to talk to someone about mutual interests, it's when you try to get them back to your bunk that things go off the rails

Re: Kevin Mitnick Hacked California Law in 1983

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As far as hacker cons go, Defcon is not CCC Defcon is basically run by a gang that values loyalty and dedication above most things.. which has historically low standards of ethics for their goons and attendees (albeit has improved somewhat over the years)

>Defcon is basically run by a gang No, Derby was run by a gang. (The 303 could probably be RICO'd) I cannot confirm or deny that Defcon is where the event occured, especially since it was technically just an event at a casino, as many things occuring on the same days as Defcon occur. >a gang that values loyalty and dedication above most things.. which has historically low standards of ethics for their goons and atten…

> No, Derby was run by a gang.

That isn’t a refutation of my argument but okay.

Re: Kevin Mitnick Hacked California Law in 1983

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I have felt this way as well and wonder why we can't encode laws into some sort of machine code and study it, test it, iterate it, debug it, and optimize it like we do with computer programs.

Because it would end up a weird machine [0] [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weird_machine

Thank you for this. I went down a 3 day rabbit hole learning about return oriented programming and finding this awesome seemingly open courseware class called CS 4630 Defense Against the Dark Arts [0], which eventually led to me signing up for this x86-64 assembly thing [1] when I had absolutely no idea what they were talking about by the third class.

[0] https://www.cs.virginia.edu/~cr4bd/4630/S2021/

[1] https://exercism.org/tracks/x86-64-assembly

Update: Exercism seems to only be an "exercises" platform and doesn't actually have any teaching materials of its own?

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