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What if AI didn't make you a bad writer, but a better thinker?

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Re: What if AI didn't make you a bad writer, but a better thinker?

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I'm increasingly frustrated by the amount of people willing to give up control of their own thought processing. At what point do you decide, I'm good enough and don't need to improve, I'll make the AI do it for me!

(Love your username btw.) I think that this is great and I'll explain why. When the machines manage to supplant all the mechanistic portions of our thinking, what will remain? The creative bits, is my guess. There will be far more room for the creative bits, and then... ???

Where do those creative bits come from?

Often the creative bits come out of the struggle to do the work. If you get rid of the struggle, then you also get rid of the motivation for their creation.

Re: What if AI didn't make you a bad writer, but a better thinker?

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I was thinking of something along this way a while ago: "what if we had an AI that we didn't merely use to obtain answers but rather to ask intelligent questions, so that it would help to build self criticism when developing a product, service, piece of code, etc?

Re: What if AI didn't make you a bad writer, but a better thinker?

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> The difference is that GPT is training future versions based on the information you provide. Do they say so in their T&C or elsewhere, and if not how do you know?

Would have been easier to read the T&C than to post this comment. The answer is yes. OpenAI specifically says in their T&C that your content will be used to train their models.

Not only that, it also gives a popup that states this clearly, as well as a request to not input confidential information when you first start using it.

Do people just not read anymore?

Re: What if AI didn't make you a bad writer, but a better thinker?

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is that GPT is training future versions based on the information you provide. It could potentially be returned to a future user. AWS does no such thing.

> The difference is that GPT is training future versions based on the information you provide. Do they say so in their T&C or elsewhere, and if not how do you know?

It literally says so in a popup which must be accepted before first use. No need to dig in the T&Cs.

Re: What if AI didn't make you a bad writer, but a better thinker?

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Before getting frustrated, it seems like we need to have a serious conversation about what we believe is/is not appropriate to delegate to a computer system. We need to be looking at why people are so willing to give up certain categories of thought processing. Do you feel the same frustration regarding handheld calculators? Why or why not? The utility of reducing math mistakes and improving accuracy across an entire…

It is a risk to outsource critical thinking, because a capacity for critical thinking is essential for freedom of thought, which is essential for free society in general. Delegating creativity is less likely to lead to outright disaster, but allowing your creativity to atrophy sounds like a recipe for a terminally boring society.

I agree that outsourcing critical thinking is an issue, but I’m not sure that is an automatic outcome of using a tool like this.

The flip side is that some people just struggle with writing. I’ve worked with many of them. Smart/capable people, for whom the process of writing is an impediment to clear thought, with many mental cycles spent on the act of writing itself and remembering the rules of punctuation and spelling to the detriment of the idea they’re trying to convey.

They feel about AI writing tools the way I feel about generative AI image tools: excited that I can get better at visually conveying ideas that I don’t have the artistic ability to draw on my own.

> but allowing your creativity to atrophy sounds like a recipe for a terminally boring society

This is a binary outlook on the impact of these tools and I’d pose these followup questions:

- Is a creative person who is driven to do creative things going to lose that drive, or use AI tools as a force multiplier?

- Is there a reason to believe that the act of writing itself is always a creative endeavor and not just an outward/visual manifestation of thought/and ideas? (Note: I’m not claiming that writing is never creative, or that creativity is never involved in the organization of the words themselves, but this is distinct from the underlying ideas themselves, and not always the most important factor).

- I don’t think anyone would argue that a thesaurus or dictionary, or tools like spell check/autocorrect risk stripping someone of their creativity, but what would it look like to define the line between creative thought and expression of those thoughts?

- Most people don’t “create” today, mostly because it’s hard work. Argument about “boring content that lacks creativity” aside, can we be so sure that lowering the barrier to entry atrophies creativity instead of opening new avenues for it to thrive?

Re: What if AI didn't make you a bad writer, but a better thinker?

#86

I'm increasingly frustrated by the amount of people willing to give up control of their own thought processing. At what point do you decide, I'm good enough and don't need to improve, I'll make the AI do it for me!

(Love your username btw.) I think that this is great and I'll explain why. When the machines manage to supplant all the mechanistic portions of our thinking, what will remain? The creative bits, is my guess. There will be far more room for the creative bits, and then... ???

By creative bits, you are supplying an human-based objective function. I like this book "Why Greatness Cannot Be Planned: The Myth of the Objective" which argues for the existence of the "objective paradox", a paradox which states that "soon as you create an objective, you ruin your ability to reach it". Maybe we shouldn't have any objective as such and let fun and play will be the norm of discovery. Sort of like know the rules and then break them in creative ways.

Re: What if AI didn't make you a bad writer, but a better thinker?

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I was thinking of something along this way a while ago: "what if we had an AI that we didn't merely use to obtain answers but rather to ask intelligent questions, so that it would help to build self criticism when developing a product, service, piece of code, etc?

It would still need human to develop enough data to have an AI to come with something meaningful.

If were to ask an AI model how to structure a good e-commerce when no previous data on e-commerce was available probably you'd get nothing meaningful.

Or ask how to do a human centric design when the web was all about animated gifs and flashy buttons. Probably you'd never get minimalist design as an answer.

Re: What if AI didn't make you a bad writer, but a better thinker?

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I was thinking of something along this way a while ago: "what if we had an AI that we didn't merely use to obtain answers but rather to ask intelligent questions, so that it would help to build self criticism when developing a product, service, piece of code, etc?

Why didn't you ask the AI that question

Re: What if AI didn't make you a bad writer, but a better thinker?

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The spate of AI "artwork" I have seen over the past few months has seemed to me to be good "prompts" for artists. Many of what I have seen has a germ of something interesting in it — but is often missing in other regards. An obvious example that comes to mind are the recent "Jordowsky Tron" images [1]. Any art director could comb those images, consider changes here, there — and end up with something better than the A…

The Jordowsky Tron images may be neat but they'll never match the creative brilliance of timeless masterpieces such as Chrome Lords (1988):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdwCE8ScPk4

Re: What if AI didn't make you a bad writer, but a better thinker?

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I liked the post's title more than the article's contents. It got me wondering about the difference between language and thought, if there actually is any. Is thought just unspoken language? Do we think if we don't know a language?

Is there a subset of any human language that can be described by a formal regular grammar without giving up the expressiveness of human language? Is there a notion of "Turing completeness" but for thought rather than computation?

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