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Brief structured respiration enhances mood and reduces physiological arousal

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Re: Brief structured respiration enhances mood and reduces physiological arousal

#81

Second bullet point states: "Breathwork improves mood and physiological arousal more than mindfulness meditation" Headline states that it reduces physiological arousal.

From the results

> Both mindfulness meditation and breathwork groups showed significant reductions in state anxiety and negative affect and increases in positive affect.

> Breathwork produces a significantly greater reduction in respiratory rate compared with mindfulness meditation

Re: Brief structured respiration enhances mood and reduces physiological arousal

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This is an extremely weak study that basically launders Huberman's "mini interventionism" and abuses west coast's fascination with what is mostly "breath-themed magic". The idea of hyperregulation of breath is a cousin of hyperregulation of dietary intake, which is a western "top-down"ism, latter of which induced more disordered eating than it achieved/preserved health. Regarding the criticisms of this study; Firstly…

Firstly, the small sample size is based on volunteers, so folks already believed there was going to be a payoff from something that is 75% breathwork.

How can you so sure that the volunteers believed that?

Re: Brief structured respiration enhances mood and reduces physiological arousal

#83

It's remarkable that I so often lapse in my meditation practice when it's such a short time commitment and so consistently improves my mood. I tell myself that morning yoga is enough or a walking meditation while taking the dog out is enough - I do those every day without fail. But they're not the same as seated breath work. Why do other mood improvement habits seem more approachable, like making a cup of tea or exer…

I don't meditate but I have learned to control and suppress hiccups and there may be a connection.

The way I do it is still very relaxed and focus on a point that is somewhere in front of my forehead, and have very regular, simple breathing, without forcing it. It takes less than a minute of this for the hiccup to go away. I think the trick is to think about nothing instead of thinking about the hiccup.

Re: Brief structured respiration enhances mood and reduces physiological arousal

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The swimming pools in my area of the world all have a 'cold tub' with water ranging in temperature from 6-10°C. On average I visit the pools roughly 2-3x per week and always spend around ~12 minutes (in 4 minute chunks) in the 'cold tub' doing controlled breathing.

That, and plunging and holding my face in the cold water to try to trigger the mammalian diving response, has really had a positive effect on me (ofcourse only n=1).

Think I'll add 5 minutes of these breathing practices to my routine as well.

Re: Brief structured respiration enhances mood and reduces physiological arousal

#85
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He didn’t get my point. Maybe he was replying to another comment and mistakenly put it down here? It’s something about something that’s too obvious. I got a science degree man, I believe in the scientific method, but the way it’s applied sometimes: too stupid. The scientific institution is so fucking flawed. The scientific method can’t cure humanity’s faults: reproducibility crisis, confirmation bias, wrong incentive…

I find it hard to believe that you have any interest in science with this comment. I like seeing studies like this that try to scientifically prove/show the benefits of techniques like cyclical breathing. It may be obvious to some, but I don't think it's obvious to everybody. The Indians might have discovered it and done it for thousands of years, but we don't do it. I'm not going to do something just because Native…

Oh I meant Indians from India, not native Americans. I wouldn’t call them Indians. Right?

  I like seeing studies like this that try to scientifically prove/show the benefit…
I’m not attacking you or saying don’t read studies or that’s somehow not good for you. Tho I get how it could seem that way. The world can contain both things: your like of this and my criticism of the scientific establishment and public attitudes towards science. Neither are exclusionary of the other, so I understand if you reacted like they were. But I’m was not criticizing you there. I’m criticizing the science establishment, and the idea that scientific endorsement is a sole arbiter of truth of the world which is absolute bullshit.

  I find it hard to believe that you have any interest in science with this comment.

I don’t know…I think if you don’t think I have any interest in science then you don’t know me at all. But also, I think it’s a bit counterfactual of you: because why would someone who had no interest in science spend time studying it and then thinking about it enough to criticize its flaws … unless they valued what they thought it should actually stand for (and we’re obviously interested in that)?

So I think instead it’s you trying to frame your disdainful contempt for who you mis-imagine I am, I somehow valid by clicking it in the pretense, that you must know more than me. But really, I think you’re comment is a bit of an overcompensating snooty elitist dismissal for you to wanna try to pretend to look down on me as like some uneducated savage because I don’t happen to reflect your (worshiping? unquestioning?) attitude toward science. So if I don’t show your view, your only response is to somehow pretend I’m bad or less than you? That’s pretty pathetic not scientific.

I’m not saying worshiping and and unquestioning is how you see science, but if you did, I would say that is not very scientific of you. Do you have a science degree?

Re: Brief structured respiration enhances mood and reduces physiological arousal

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It's remarkable that I so often lapse in my meditation practice when it's such a short time commitment and so consistently improves my mood. I tell myself that morning yoga is enough or a walking meditation while taking the dog out is enough - I do those every day without fail. But they're not the same as seated breath work. Why do other mood improvement habits seem more approachable, like making a cup of tea or exer…

http://files.howtolivewiki.com/.meditation_2015/transcripts/... This came out of an attempt to strip the core meditation techniques down to completely remove the mysticism, and adjust the practice cycle for long-term solo practitioners who are agnostic or atheist and can't lean on concepts like "The Buddha" or "Lord Shiva" (although I myself am Hindu.) The critical innovation is doing ten minute rounds of different p…

Going from a card carrying atheist(youth..gah!) to a more sensible agnostic to dipping my toes into faith again has been interesting. A covid revival and immersion.

Spirituality + Meditation/Mindfulness + Religion is definitely more colourful..trippy. I don’t know why. Can’t articulate.

The only downside is the random fanatic, but I guess they exist amongst the atheists too.

The poverty of imagination that marks spirituality without religion is debilitating to sustaining any kind of life long practice. Happily, the flavor of religion of my birth family affords me all the pagan goodness and room to explore freely. Life is good now. Better..rather.

Re: Brief structured respiration enhances mood and reduces physiological arousal

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He didn’t get my point. Maybe he was replying to another comment and mistakenly put it down here? It’s something about something that’s too obvious. I got a science degree man, I believe in the scientific method, but the way it’s applied sometimes: too stupid. The scientific institution is so fucking flawed. The scientific method can’t cure humanity’s faults: reproducibility crisis, confirmation bias, wrong incentive…

This is a thoroughly impressive response, particularly in a thread about contemplation. It's honestly a masterpiece. It may be a bit cliche, but it reminds of this Alan Watts anecdote. > That is why a person who might be enlightened (a bodhisattva) does not always present a kind of detached and indifferent attitude but is perfectly free to allow emotions and attachments. Why R.H. Blyth, who was a great Zen man, wrote…

Thank you. That’s very kind of you. I really appreciate that truly. You didn’t have to say that but I think sometimes when people go out of their way to say or do something nice maybe they don’t understand how much it can positively affect someone. And I just want to let you know this really made my day and it will leave a lasting positive impression on me that I’ll always remember. Thank you so much that’s really wonderful. Just wanted to make sure you know that you’re kindness is so meaningful to me. Thank you.

Re: Brief structured respiration enhances mood and reduces physiological arousal

#88

The swimming pools in my area of the world all have a 'cold tub' with water ranging in temperature from 6-10°C. On average I visit the pools roughly 2-3x per week and always spend around ~12 minutes (in 4 minute chunks) in the 'cold tub' doing controlled breathing. That, and plunging and holding my face in the cold water to try to trigger the mammalian diving response, has really had a positive effect on me (ofcourse…

Could you expand on the mammalian response, what exactly triggers it, and its benefits?

Re: Brief structured respiration enhances mood and reduces physiological arousal

#89

So physiological sighing seems to be more effective than other things at improving mood and arousal. How would one learn how to do it properly? I don't think a random Youtube video has enough credibility.

This whole thread has a lot of info in it, but the main point is this - we suck at breathing, don't breathe properly and are remarkably easily knocked out the "calm awareness" mode.

It's sometimes best to work at this other way around, like with anger management, e.g. don't try to improve your breathing, but try to be more concious of when your breathing and mental state go to sh*.

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