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I don’t tolerate abusive people.
That isn't to say that half didn't need help -- it's that humans who need help can be abusive.
So.. what do we do with them? Ignoring these people is about the same fate as 'compartmentalizing' them into a wood-chipper -- doomed.
This accusation of “doxxing” by a few people seems a bit unjustified to me. As a drive by viewer of this internet spat, you’ve probably got zero idea how much this person implicates their real-life identity in their online presence. If you want to both-sides this, there was much more credible arguments to make.
But also, doxxing is totally acceptable to protect people from threats including harassment. We are well past the era where we maintained the fantasy that the internet was separate from real life. People who are acting out online sometimes also act dangerous IRL and it is therefore prudent to figure out who they are IRL if they've proven to be bad actors online.
nobody has a natural right to anonymity, and if your actions are causing real harm then you should expect some of the real-world consequences that come from having your identity exposed.
There are some people that are so divergent from understanding and being able to perform or at least emulate normal social behaviour that they become harmful and problematic. I watched one, quite closely, develop through high school. I can still hear his smug “nah” any time you said something he didn’t agree with. Well, not “agree with” but “that he knew to be universally correct.” Ultimately he ended up unemployable…
>I think what I learned from the experience is at some point you’ve got to compartmentalize harmful people from your groups and inevitably a growing number of segments of society, even if that feels wrong in some way. It’s more wrong to let them perpetually abuse people. this strikes me as similar to the concept of being for life imprisonment over the spending of resources towards rehabilitation. To throw people to t…
It's really not his or her job to fix abusers.
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That doesn't mean you need to suffer. Reality is harsh. Cutting out toxicity is required.
Agreed. My friend was stabbed by a schizophrenic who lived in the flat opposite and believed that my friend was stalking him. Ten years later and my friend still has virtually no feeling in his hand as the nerves did not grow back correctly and he had to give up being a professional musician. I know the guy didn't choose to be the way he was and I'm sure what was going through his mind was hell. But that doesn't mean…
ok, but aside from a time-machine and time-cops, what do we do?
We 'compartmentalize' the ill out of our lives -- they don't just disappear, they roam the streets and poorly interact with societies ..
-OR-
certain professionals sacrifice aspects of their lives in order to facilitate treatment and professional isolation for such individuals in an effort to keep them off the street and out of interactions with regular society.
which one results in less violent crimes towards regular citizens?
It should be obvious to anyone with their eyes open that someone has to interact with these people to provide rehabilitation and growing potential for people in need.
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wow! The trolling escalated quickly! Are you trying to demonstrate his point?
the point that OP made that the negative should be cut from your life, or the greater point that if the entire world cuts the negative from their life then those people -- 'the negative' -- are doomed to roam the world and be negative towards the rest of the world ad nauseum?
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no, this is not acceptable. If you have an issue with someone online, ban their email, ban their IP and move on. It is not appropriate to go hunting this person in real life. you yourself have then become the creep, the person acting inappropriately. you've become the very person you have issue with. to anyone reading this, DO NOT listen to the person I am replying to. Even if this extreme case seems "justified", its…
> no, this is not acceptable. If you have an issue with someone online, ban their email, ban their IP and move on Here's the thing: they did do that. But the banned person would not move on, and continued to evade the ban and be a pile of misery for everyone involved. "Ban them and move on" is the sort of advice that works great until it doesn't.
If the troll was threatening life or some other crime, then fine do what you need to do. but the person is just essentially being annoying, that is not grounds to doxx someone. if they do not have the skills to keep out harmful users, thats their own fault, they should implement a captcha or some other tactic.
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I have no affiliation with the ReactOS project but I honestly think that the doxxing could and should have been avoided (assuming the name included in the title is a person's real name). It probably also goes against some HN rules, but I may be wrong on that.
Posting the name of a harasser is not doxxing.
(( no, it's still doxxing. ))
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But also, doxxing is totally acceptable to protect people from threats including harassment. We are well past the era where we maintained the fantasy that the internet was separate from real life. People who are acting out online sometimes also act dangerous IRL and it is therefore prudent to figure out who they are IRL if they've proven to be bad actors online.
yeah, this whole idea that "doxxing" is a universal harm needs to be corrected. not exposing people's real-world identities is a courtesy we obey to protect each other from harassment. if it becomes a way to protect the harassers, then we've lost the point. nobody has a natural right to anonymity, and if your actions are causing real harm then you should expect some of the real-world consequences that come from havin…
is this a joke?
There are some people that are so divergent from understanding and being able to perform or at least emulate normal social behaviour that they become harmful and problematic. I watched one, quite closely, develop through high school. I can still hear his smug “nah” any time you said something he didn’t agree with. Well, not “agree with” but “that he knew to be universally correct.” Ultimately he ended up unemployable…
>I think what I learned from the experience is at some point you’ve got to compartmentalize harmful people from your groups and inevitably a growing number of segments of society, even if that feels wrong in some way. It’s more wrong to let them perpetually abuse people. this strikes me as similar to the concept of being for life imprisonment over the spending of resources towards rehabilitation. To throw people to t…
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>I think what I learned from the experience is at some point you’ve got to compartmentalize harmful people from your groups and inevitably a growing number of segments of society, even if that feels wrong in some way. It’s more wrong to let them perpetually abuse people. this strikes me as similar to the concept of being for life imprisonment over the spending of resources towards rehabilitation. To throw people to t…
> what do you think happens when you make yourself lost contact with these people? Well, having been 'compartmentalized' earlier in life and never receiving any help or social training, they continue to perpetually abuse other people. It's really not his or her job to fix abusers.
most societies believe that each individual must contribute to some degree. It's being lost, but for most societies historically the mentally ill were the burden of the immediate family.
Now we see the effects of the mental illness affecting society-at-large, it stands to reason that the entirety of the affected population is now somewhat responsible for making their own lives better by trying to assess and remediate the problems within their society.
If I walked past litter on the ground in my home-town, I wouldn't say "Hey, not my job." and walk past it, I would pick it up for the betterment of my town.
This isn't a foreign concept for most people.