Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

daverupert.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

81–90 of 205 posts

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

#81

Post by O1111OOO »

TrueGeek wrote: post #69
crazygringo wrote: post #65

I may have found the answer, and I've seen this before (it happened to me once). It's when a different spam site copies your content wholesale, and a search engine decides they're the "original" site, and you're the spammy copycat. Because if you put the headlines (in quotes) from two of his recent articles into Bring, e.g. either "Megan Smith explaining the General Magic prototyping process" or "Denialists, Alarmist…

What should you do when another site copies your content like this then?

> What should you do when another site copies your content like this then?

Have we gotten to the point where websites (and their content) need to be verified like Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok do for personal accounts?

If so, will search engines be the ones verifying - using this as a new revenue scheme (with the dangers inherent in this... ie; pay to be listed or ranked higher)?

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

#83

Post by colejohnson66 »

pungentcomment wrote: post #80
gkbrk wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You send a DMCA.

Chances are that the site will be hosted outside the US and the DMCA is a US only copyright law afaik. I don't think it's applicable outside the US.

In those cases, you can send one to DDG and Bing, which are in the US. It won’t affect the actual website or other search engines, but it’s better than nothing.

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

#84

Post by mkl »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #73
mkl wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it was a shadow ban he would see his site when he searched but we wouldn't. This is definitely not that.

Are you talking about normal sites? Not search engines? If so I don't really agree. I don't think you have to go through that much effort as part of implementing a shadow ban. If posts show up to the user in most places, then good enough it's a shadow ban. Only because this is a search engine do I say this solidly isn't a shadow ban.

Well, I don't understand the distinction you're making, as search doesn't seem special here to me. The key feature that makes something a shadow ban is that everything looks normal to the shadow-banned person, but the rest of us don't see their stuff or see it in some restricted way. That seems like it would apply equally to search, forum comments, etc.

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

#85

Post by JadoJodo »

supermatt wrote: post #4

This is not a shadow ban. A shadow ban is when it appears to you that you are not banned, but from others perspective you are.

I suspect OP used it in the way that “I believe all my posts are showing up in the places that they should, but unbeknownst to me, they are being suppressed.” In this instance, I could see a “search engine shadowban” being an appropriate moniker.

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

#86

Post by lokar »

ceejayoz wrote: post #68
philippejara wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump-esque? what words has trump even done that for? Changing the meaning of words to fit what you want has been happening long before the printing press even was invented by people in power, vying for power, reporting on things they have a biased interest in or just wanting a quick win on an argument. Not everything needs to be a trump analogy.

Trump popularized the term “fake news”, generally meaning “real news I don’t like”.

And whatever covfefe is

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

#87

Post by bkirkby »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #83
pungentcomment wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chances are that the site will be hosted outside the US and the DMCA is a US only copyright law afaik. I don't think it's applicable outside the US.

In those cases, you can send one to DDG and Bing, which are in the US. It won’t affect the actual website or other search engines, but it’s better than nothing.

Ianal, but I think ddg could come back and claim that their service doesn't copy the content or that their abstract is fair use, so a dmca wouldn't apply to them.

If that happens I'd use language about the exclusive "public display" right that you have over your work.

I'm not aware of this claim being used for a dmca, but I'd like to see how such a claim turned out.

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

#88

Post by ryandrake »

ceejayoz wrote: post #68
philippejara wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump-esque? what words has trump even done that for? Changing the meaning of words to fit what you want has been happening long before the printing press even was invented by people in power, vying for power, reporting on things they have a biased interest in or just wanting a quick win on an argument. Not everything needs to be a trump analogy.

Trump popularized the term “fake news”, generally meaning “real news I don’t like”.

People forget: for a very, very brief moment during the 2016 US presidential campaign, the problem of actual "fake news" was in the spotlight. Literal fake news, where a pseudo-news site would put up stories that was entirely fictional, to promote a political POV, and present them as news. Trump swiftly neutralized the term by co-opting it and using it, as you say, to mean "real news I don't like". But for just a moment in time, it was originally used to describe actual fiction posing as news.

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

#90

Post by rvnx »

colanderman wrote: post #34
extheat wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well if you are silently placed on a hide list (by manual human intervention without you being able to know without a third party), then by all means that is a shadow ban. Edit for clarity.

No, a shadow ban specifically is designed to mislead you into thinking you are not banned, to delay you attempting to work around the ban. Regardless of whether you were notified, if you can see that you are banned, it is by definition not a shadow ban.

In this case, a shadow ban would mean that if the owner of this website searched for his site on Bing/DDG, it would appear normally to him, but would be hidden from everyone else.
Post reply on HN