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Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by schaefer » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 6:06 PM UTC

jesuscript wrote: post #76

inetknght wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What makes their stuff so great? I was customizing a gaming rig on their site the other day and it was wildly overpriced. Try customizing an Apple product. It's also wildly overpriced. System76 provides top-tier support. That alone is expensive.

You can't get MacOS any other way reliably. I'm pretty sure you can get PopOS for free. Plus Apple makes pretty unique hardware. This is a totally unfair comparison. Compare to this instead: https://www.lenovo.com/au/en/p/laptops/yoga/yoga-2-in-1-seri... They also have a list of which of their laptops they tested with Linux: https://support.lenovo.com/pl/en/solutions/pd031426 Again, System76 doesn't have a price yet…

the Lenovo yoga you reference above is explicitly not for sale in the USA.

But for those of you in EU and Australia, this is a nice option. I've considered importing it.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by deergomoo » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 6:07 PM UTC

inetknght wrote: post #64

karmakaze wrote: post #34

The first thing I see is a 16x9 screen, think "pass", and close the page. There have to be other LCD panel makers out there. Either their customers don't care and/or the company doesn't care to make a better laptop.

> The first thing I see is a 16x9 screen, think "pass", and close the page. I like 16x9. What do you want instead?

I'm not OP but 16:10 or 3:2 are great aspect ratios for laptops.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by sylens » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 6:07 PM UTC

karmakaze wrote: post #34

The first thing I see is a 16x9 screen, think "pass", and close the page. There have to be other LCD panel makers out there. Either their customers don't care and/or the company doesn't care to make a better laptop.

1080p too. Really hard for me to go back at this point.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by wmf » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 6:08 PM UTC

smoldesu wrote: post #60

wmf wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh, you're right; there's no 7x4xU. But a 15.6" laptop should have an HS processor anyway. System76 is cheaping out by using a 6800U.

Honestly, I disagree. The 6800u has a base TDP of 15 watts - the 6800HS has a base TDP of 35w. The tradeoff in thermals/battery life is not worth the marginal performance increase, at least in my opinion.

I'd prefer a more powerful laptop and let the customer underclock if they want to.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by vehemenz » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 6:08 PM UTC

driverdan wrote: post #6

Still only 1920x1080. Come on, give us decent resolution screens already!

Or at least 1920x1200. It's amazing how much 16:10 helps on a small screen.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by snvzz » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 6:09 PM UTC

Ryzen 6800U: https://www.amd.com/en/product/11591

It's a Zen3+ with embedded RDNA2 graphics.

Not the state of the art as of CES announcements, but I'd happily get a laptop with one of these if I needed a laptop right now.

It's good System76 is offering such an option, because it makes them a candidate.

I would not currently consider a laptop that's based on Intel or NVIDIA hardware, due to vastly inferior performance/watt and lack of open documentation, respectively.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by lost_tourist » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 6:09 PM UTC

CoastalCoder wrote: post #8

Would it make sense to change the title? I read it to be about people who bought AMD-only laptops from System76, needing to return them to System76 for some reason.

I don't think so, it made perfect sense to me on first reading.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by smoldesu » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 6:10 PM UTC

sylens wrote: post #83

karmakaze wrote: post #34

The first thing I see is a 16x9 screen, think "pass", and close the page. There have to be other LCD panel makers out there. Either their customers don't care and/or the company doesn't care to make a better laptop.

1080p too. Really hard for me to go back at this point.

There's hope that a 4k screen option might exist, but anything between 1080p and 4k will not look good on Linux at this size. Without fractional scaling or funny supersampling tricks, Linux only really looks good at 100% and 200% scaling.

Maybe in time that will change, but that's just how Linux is for now.

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by Mikeb85 » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 6:13 PM UTC

Not gonna lie, very underwhelming compared to what's coming out from other manufacturers...

Even a budget brand like Acer is releasing Ryzen 7000 chipsets and pairing it with higher resolution OLED screens, probably will be cheaper as well...

https://www.acer.com/ca-en/laptops/swift/swift-go-14-amd

Re: System76 AMD-Only Laptop Returns

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Post by justajot » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 6:13 PM UTC

CoastalCoder wrote: post #8

Would it make sense to change the title? I read it to be about people who bought AMD-only laptops from System76, needing to return them to System76 for some reason.

Same