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Re: FBI Looking for Hashflare Victims

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Post by gggggg5 »

icepat wrote: post #80
gggggg5 wrote: post #77

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Of course Турыгин is a Russian name. Spelling it using Estonian script doesn't change anything. Looking up other Turõgins in Estonia, they all have very obviously Russian first names and zero obviously Estonian names. There's no doubt that Ivan Turõgins parents fully intended to give him a Russian name, even if Estonia requires Estonian script on Estonian identity documents. Even Estonians call these names "Russian n…

> If someone in Estonia decides to name their kid Muhamed, that doesn't magically become an Estonian name. Correct, but it does not suddenly make them another nationality. Also, it's not spelled as you spelled it for a reason -- it's Estonian you're looking at. Not Russian. The reason it looks different, is because they're Estonian, so the name will be different. My second point, which is pretty clear in the first pl…

Nobody was called Russian. _throwawayaway correctly called it a Russian name, you incorrectly replied with "That's an Estonian name", which it isn't.

Most of the Estonians with Russian names do identify as Russian, even if they aren't necessarily Russian nationals. It's an ethnic group, these are ethnic Russians.

> The reason it looks different, is because they're Estonian, so the name will be different

This is false. It's spelled the way it is spelled because that's how Estonian government wants names spelled. Also, because it would be awkward to interact with a society where most people do not know the Cyrillic alphabet.

Re: FBI Looking for Hashflare Victims

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Post by HPsquared »

pjc50 wrote: post #58
jerf wrote: post #31

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This is an important aspect of the financial world to understand, because a lot of things work this way. It doesn't have to be a "Ponzi scheme", this happens anywhere where a lot of people pool money together, nominally have an agreement that they can withdraw whenever they like, and that money is used for something illiquid, regardless of the reason for the illiquitity, resulting in a situation where if too many peo…

Hmm. Duration mismatching is kind of fundamental to the loan business. There used to be a lot more savings accounts that didn't offer at-sight withdrawal, partly because of this; if you make people wait 30 or 90 days you can have more time for things to settle. On the other hand, in order to do that, you have to pay them a higher interest rate to make it worthwhile. And rates have been driven to the floor.

Low rates have certainly broken a lot of incentive structures that used to work.

Re: FBI Looking for Hashflare Victims

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Post by icepat »

gggggg5 wrote: post #81
icepat wrote: post #80

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> If someone in Estonia decides to name their kid Muhamed, that doesn't magically become an Estonian name. Correct, but it does not suddenly make them another nationality. Also, it's not spelled as you spelled it for a reason -- it's Estonian you're looking at. Not Russian. The reason it looks different, is because they're Estonian, so the name will be different. My second point, which is pretty clear in the first pl…

Nobody was called Russian. _throwawayaway correctly called it a Russian name, you incorrectly replied with "That's an Estonian name", which it isn't. Most of the Estonians with Russian names do identify as Russian, even if they aren't necessarily Russian nationals. It's an ethnic group, these are ethnic Russians. > The reason it looks different, is because they're Estonian, so the name will be different This is false…

> This is false. It's spelled the way it is spelled because that's how Estonian government wants names spelled.

He's quite literally an Estonian national, go check the FBI report that was released.

Re: FBI Looking for Hashflare Victims

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Post by gggggg5 »

icepat wrote: post #83
gggggg5 wrote: post #81

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Nobody was called Russian. _throwawayaway correctly called it a Russian name, you incorrectly replied with "That's an Estonian name", which it isn't. Most of the Estonians with Russian names do identify as Russian, even if they aren't necessarily Russian nationals. It's an ethnic group, these are ethnic Russians. > The reason it looks different, is because they're Estonian, so the name will be different This is false…

> This is false. It's spelled the way it is spelled because that's how Estonian government wants names spelled. He's quite literally an Estonian national, go check the FBI report that was released.

Yes, he is an ethnic Russian who happens to be an Estonian national. "Russian" does not refer to the nationality, it is an ethnicity. There are vast amounts of Russian nationals who are not Russian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians

In Estonia these people are referred to as Russians too, because that is what they are and what they identify as.

Re: FBI Looking for Hashflare Victims

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Post by icepat »

gggggg5 wrote: post #84
icepat wrote: post #83

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> This is false. It's spelled the way it is spelled because that's how Estonian government wants names spelled. He's quite literally an Estonian national, go check the FBI report that was released.

Yes, he is an ethnic Russian who happens to be an Estonian national. "Russian" does not refer to the nationality, it is an ethnicity. There are vast amounts of Russian nationals who are not Russian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians In Estonia these people are referred to as Russians too, because that is what they are and what they identify as.

I've met plenty of Estonians who have a Russian ethnic background, however identify as Estonian, speak Estonian, and do not consider themselves Russian. Again, I think the point of what I was getting at should be clear.

And, to your point about them being called Russian in Estonia, I've heard them called "Russian speaking" more than Russian. Then, again, the Estonians I know take a pro-integration position on the matter. The "ethnic Russian" terminology is often used in pro-separatist circles to justify non-integration, or by anti-Russian Estonians.

Re: FBI Looking for Hashflare Victims

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Post by gggggg5 »

icepat wrote: post #85
gggggg5 wrote: post #84

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Yes, he is an ethnic Russian who happens to be an Estonian national. "Russian" does not refer to the nationality, it is an ethnicity. There are vast amounts of Russian nationals who are not Russian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians In Estonia these people are referred to as Russians too, because that is what they are and what they identify as.

I've met plenty of Estonians who have a Russian ethnic background, however identify as Estonian, speak Estonian, and do not consider themselves Russian. Again, I think the point of what I was getting at should be clear. And, to your point about them being called Russian in Estonia, I've heard them called "Russian speaking" more than Russian. Then, again, the Estonians I know take a pro-integration position on the mat…

The point you were getting at simply doesn't exist. Ask those ethnic Russians if that's an Estonian or Russian name, they will tell you it's a Russian name.

Writing Russian names in Estonian script does not make them Estonian names.

Re: FBI Looking for Hashflare Victims

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Post by fortuna86 »

pjc50 wrote: post #57
themitigating wrote: post #43

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Or move to another country without extradition, something I'm surprised more people don't do.

There are a lot fewer of those than you expect. And of course if you need to do that, you can never come back to see your family even for a visit.

statute of limitations?

Re: FBI Looking for Hashflare Victims

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Post by [deleted] »

gggggg5 wrote: post #86
icepat wrote: post #85

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I've met plenty of Estonians who have a Russian ethnic background, however identify as Estonian, speak Estonian, and do not consider themselves Russian. Again, I think the point of what I was getting at should be clear. And, to your point about them being called Russian in Estonia, I've heard them called "Russian speaking" more than Russian. Then, again, the Estonians I know take a pro-integration position on the mat…

The point you were getting at simply doesn't exist. Ask those ethnic Russians if that's an Estonian or Russian name, they will tell you it's a Russian name. Writing Russian names in Estonian script does not make them Estonian names.

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Re: FBI Looking for Hashflare Victims

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Post by maerF0x0 »

Scoundreller wrote: post #46
itsoktocry wrote: post #37

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> It would seem to set up a situation where your incentive, if you suspect a Ponzi scheme, is to quietly withdraw your money early then keep your mouth shut. How so? Law enforcement can claw it back, and the earlier you withdraw, the less your gains.

The limits depends on the jurisdiction. And harder to claw back funds after you’re already dead and the estate has been settled. Or you’ve already spent it all.

> Or you’ve already spent it all.

This is only true if you never have income in the future. They can garnish and/or reach in and take other assets

Re: FBI Looking for Hashflare Victims

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Post by limaoscarjuliet »

chrisjc wrote: post #53
yellow_lead wrote: post #42

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How? The blockchain doesn't store names or SSNs for every address. If the victim/user uses a mixer they can get their coins out easily and anonymously.

I've been watching some of Coffeezilla's videos lately and he often gets into the analysis of "following the money" from one crypto wallet to another to show how lots of his subjects conducted their scams. Were these individuals just sloppy (probably) or is there some kind of forensic analysis that can be performed blockchains to trace the path of tokens/funds/credits through a mixer? Although I know nothing about cr…

You are anonymous as long as you have not used your wallet somewhere where you can be identified. Read about "welcome to video" child porn bust possible due to chainanalysis. From https://www.wired.com/story/tracers-in-the-dark-welcome-to-v...

Chainalysis had combined these techniques for de-anonymizing Bitcoin users with methods that allowed it to “cluster” addresses, showing that anywhere from dozens to millions of addresses sometimes belonged to a single person or organization. When coins from two or more addresses were spent in a single transaction, for instance, it revealed that whoever created that “multi-input” transaction must have control of both spender addresses, allowing Chainalysis to lump them into a single identity. In other cases, Chainalysis and its users could follow a “peel chain”—a process analogous to tracking a single wad of cash as a user repeatedly pulled it out, peeled off a few bills, and put it back in a different pocket. In those peel chains, bitcoins would be moved out of one address as a fraction was paid to a recipient and then the remainder returned to the spender at a “change” address. Distinguishing those change addresses could allow an investigator to follow a sum of money as it hopped from one address to the next, charting its path through the noise of Bitcoin’s blockchain.

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