NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video] • Hacker News Board

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by Zuiii » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 5:57 AM UTC

jonahx wrote: post #73

Zuiii wrote: post #71

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Then have a panel from canada's regulatory body review every case and fine those who misclassify their cancellation, then have an independent audit of those panels to avoid regulatory capture.

All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection, except for the problem of too many layers of indirection.

The idea of having multiple layers is to make foul play more difficult to cover up; i.e the chances of someone screwing up grows exponentially with every person you add.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by akira2501 » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 5:58 AM UTC

meindnoch wrote: post #63

reilly3000 wrote: post #49

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This is an awesome resource, but I'm left wondering how to interpret the data. For instance I see that Microsoft paid for a bunch of lobbying for a bunch of things, and it's clear they had 2 meetings with NY Senators and Executive staff about S 4104. What I don't see is what they were advocating for. Are they for or against it? Did they push some language that would benefit them in the long run? All I can see so far…

Yes, my friend, we ought to give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt, since they gave us VSCode and GitHub. Why would they lobby for such an evil thing? Surely, this must be some grave misunderstanding!

Monopolies give things away to destroy competition, not to warm the hearts of consumers.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by Animats » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 5:59 AM UTC

COGlory wrote: post #66

I don't understand. The bill was passed with an overwhelming, veto-proof majority. Then it sat on the Governor's desk until she made changes (after intense lobbying)? But the NY legislature is not in session, but the bill is signed? So how were the changes approved by the legislature? What is the precise legal mechanism here? Is this legal? My initial impression is that this is an illegal act of tyranny and should be…

The amendment happened back in May 2022, apparently.[1] You can read the pre-amendment and post-amendment versions there.

It was pretty much gutted. Right to repair for farm equipment was removed entirely, and rights involving digital devices made far weaker. That got press coverage in June 2022.[2] Other than cell phone screen and case repair, it doesn't seem too useful.

[1] https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2021/s4104/amendm...

[2] https://www.techspot.com/news/94843-new-york-senate-official...

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by Jon_Lowtek » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 5:59 AM UTC

kwiens wrote: post #39

58028641 wrote: post #23

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The legislature agreed to the changes.

The governor told the legislative sponsors that they had to accept these changes or she would veto the bill. It was accept this reduction, or nothing.

Can the original sponsors just change the bill, between the bill passing the senate and the governor signing it, without having such amendments voted on by the senate and assembly?

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 6:06 AM UTC

nrp wrote: post #32

For folks wondering how the late changes to the bill happened, you can see who funded the lobby efforts here: https://reports.ethics.ny.gov/publicquery/AssociatedFilings/...

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Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by hyperhopper » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 6:14 AM UTC

richbell wrote: post #35

fear_and_coffee wrote: post #29

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The government's will mysteriously synched with corporate interests

The word of the day is "Regulatory Capture". (Yes, I know that's two words, "don't @ me" as the youths would say.)

Just say "phrase"

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by philistine » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 6:25 AM UTC

COGlory wrote: post #66

I don't understand. The bill was passed with an overwhelming, veto-proof majority. Then it sat on the Governor's desk until she made changes (after intense lobbying)? But the NY legislature is not in session, but the bill is signed? So how were the changes approved by the legislature? What is the precise legal mechanism here? Is this legal? My initial impression is that this is an illegal act of tyranny and should be…

You can also blame the system. The fact any sort of executive official can rewrite what the legislative wrote is insane. To hell with your limericks about checks and balances. Once a bill's done, no one ought to be able to stop anything.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by WalterBright » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 6:38 AM UTC

smnrchrds wrote: post #44

I believe the analysis. Here in Canada, the government passed a law not that long ago (during the pandemic) to enshrine rights of passengers for delayed and cancelled flights, which included right to specific amounts of monetary compensation in those scenarios. The law, however, had an exception, where no compensation is due if the flight is delayed or cancelled due to a safety issue. Lo and behold, the airlines have…

On the other hand, punishing an airline for a delay due to a safety issue can have worse consequences.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by WalterBright » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 6:39 AM UTC

ALittleLight wrote: post #74

josephcsible wrote: post #67

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That would defeat the purpose. The point of the carveout is so that we don't accidentally incentivize the airlines to fly a flight that should be canceled for safety reasons, and this would do exactly that.

Perhaps they could require the people who make the go/no-go decision on flight safety to visit a prison every three months and receive a lecture on how this will be their new home if they knowingly approve a plane not safe to fly.

Threatening people does not improve safety, as people will tend to hide the issues instead of exposing them so they're fixed.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by pixelfarmer » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 6:40 AM UTC

Zuiii wrote: post #71

ammar2 wrote: post #69

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I think the reasoning would be to disincentivize airlines from potentially flying a plane that is unsafe to avoid paying out.

Then have a panel from canada's regulatory body review every case and fine those who misclassify their cancellation, then have an independent audit of those panels to avoid regulatory capture.

No, I would remove the exception and put up even heftier fines (i.e. costs more than the (partial) refunding) for safety violations. There should be structures and procedures for that in place already and you avoid creating even more bureacraziness with all the problems that brings.