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Occupy Portland's Dec 3rd Tactic to Neutralize Police

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Re: Occupy Portland's Dec 3rd Tactic to Neutralize Police

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So here's HN in 2012: the Hiring Thread, which leads this month with a chorus of comments about how effective HN has been for finding people awesome jobs or companies awesome candidates, is at the bottom of the front page just a few hours after submission. Meanwhile, "Occupy Portland's Dec 3rd Tactic to Neutralize Police" is at the top. It's unsurprising. The kinds of people who are interested in Occupy protest tacti…

> on-topic HN threads are at a systemic disadvantage to advocacy topics like Occupy.

Maybe most HNers are already pretty happy with their jobs and are not looking? I didn't even click that link. Should I have? Now you made me feel guilty.

I clicked on the Occupy link because I think they found a pretty neat trick on how to oppose the riot police. Regardless of your support for the movement, don't you think figuring that out is pretty interesting?

Re: Occupy Portland's Dec 3rd Tactic to Neutralize Police

#82

So their ground breaking discovery for outsmarting the police is to ... leave and then come back. And maybe play some music. The Art of War style write up is humorously grandiose for something so silly. These people take themselves entirely too seriously. On another note, pay attention to whats happening over on Reddit and their attempt to unseat Paul Ryan in protest of SOPA/PIPA. They're putting their collective tim…

Not to mention that the whole military analogy is ridiculous. The protesters are essentially "allowed" to do nothing, but the police are "allowed" to do almost anything they want. How does this apply to military battles at all?

Re: Occupy Portland's Dec 3rd Tactic to Neutralize Police

#83

So their ground breaking discovery for outsmarting the police is to ... leave and then come back. And maybe play some music. The Art of War style write up is humorously grandiose for something so silly. These people take themselves entirely too seriously. On another note, pay attention to whats happening over on Reddit and their attempt to unseat Paul Ryan in protest of SOPA/PIPA. They're putting their collective tim…

> These people take themselves entirely too seriously. > ... > look at the Internet's success with GoDaddy and the few other companies changing their stance on SOPA. What exactly is your metric for success here? A sleazy company changed their stance on a bill that the public is completely unaware of and couldn't give two shits about? I think "the internet" is taking itself too seriously. Meanwhile a nation-wide prote…

The occupy camps have been largely impotent. Whatever immeasurable metaphysical success they've found thus far is more than likely purely coincidental. The collective attitudes of all individuals tend to shift in similar directions when shit gets bad enough. If the building is on fire, most people are going to head for the exits. Claiming that it was OWS that got people talking about income inequality is kind of silly. And even if that is their one success, it's a pretty meaningless victory when shit like NDAA is being passed. "Did you hear? Corporations run this country..." / "No I didn't Bob, I'm being detained indefinitely at GITMO for arguing with a flight attendant."

> Meanwhile a nation-wide protest movement has at the very least succeeded in planting the issue of systemic economic injustice into mainstream public discourse on a daily basis.

Not a single person has mentioned OWS (in a non ironic sense) to me in probably more than a month. In that time, the internet fought tooth and nail to stop something they disagreed with, and they at least saw some semblance of success. And while the bill has only been delayed, it's quite clear that the 'hands on' approach to protesting is more effective than shitting in public places and getting beat up by the police.

As a disclaimer, I did originally have high hopes for OWS. The people were passionate, and they had the energy needed. But their lack of direction and purpose shortly became apparent, and their almost A.D.D. like inability to focus on something became laughable. They would become so easily distracted by petty violence and police abuse that 90% of the occupy videos on YouTube are about the police. Which of course resulted in the majority of media attention being given to local police issues and not the widespread economic corruption they original fought against.

Once it became apparent that the occupy groups weren't going to try and shift their attention or direct themselves towards a goal, the whole thing deteriorated into a repetitive circus of hide and go seek with local police. Ultimately, they succeeded in removing any momentum they had and have literally become stagnant.

Re: Occupy Portland's Dec 3rd Tactic to Neutralize Police

#84
post #75
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole point with Kettling, which kinda makes it punitive, is that they are 100% clear that you are not leaving the enclosed pen they have created. Sometimes the kettling can go on for 6+ hrs and even with protestors demanding toilet breaks, water or medical issues from standing up for so long, the police have refused them to leave.

In the US I think that might come under false arrest or illegal imprisonment by the police.

Unlawful detainment, among other things I think.

Re: Occupy Portland's Dec 3rd Tactic to Neutralize Police

#85
post #82

So their ground breaking discovery for outsmarting the police is to ... leave and then come back. And maybe play some music. The Art of War style write up is humorously grandiose for something so silly. These people take themselves entirely too seriously. On another note, pay attention to whats happening over on Reddit and their attempt to unseat Paul Ryan in protest of SOPA/PIPA. They're putting their collective tim…

Not to mention that the whole military analogy is ridiculous. The protesters are essentially "allowed" to do nothing, but the police are "allowed" to do almost anything they want. How does this apply to military battles at all?

I think the military analogy is to support the claim that police have been extensively militarized.

If they really were fighting a military battle, the cops would have suppressed them with direct fire, then maybe taken prisoners from the wounded.

Re: Occupy Portland's Dec 3rd Tactic to Neutralize Police

#86
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can't fire live rounds, but they sure can (and do) fire rubber bullets, flash grenades, tear gas, sound cannons, and tear gas.

Completely different situations: 1: worse case in current situation, I may break a bone or get a concussion followed with medical attention and bragging rights with my peers 2: fire bullets into crowd, lots of people die. Or think about using flame throwers for crowd control

As far as the less lethal situation, using impact rounds can result in death. Fluidity of the crowd, improper use of the launcher, pure dumb luck can all play a role in where rounds land.

People can, and have, died from direct fire with less lethals including the FN-303 Paint Marking launcher, various 12 gauge skip fire and direct fire munitions, 37mm gas munitions, and 40mm direct fire less lethal and gas munitions.

While some rounds are designed for close quarters direct fire, many are not, and having a 40mm CS grenade hit you upside the head can be lethal.

Re: Occupy Portland's Dec 3rd Tactic to Neutralize Police

#87
post #73

So their ground breaking discovery for outsmarting the police is to ... leave and then come back. And maybe play some music. The Art of War style write up is humorously grandiose for something so silly. These people take themselves entirely too seriously. On another note, pay attention to whats happening over on Reddit and their attempt to unseat Paul Ryan in protest of SOPA/PIPA. They're putting their collective tim…

I dont get the hatred that people like yourself have for the occupy protesters. If you think it is ineffective then you dont have to participate, they disagree and are not bothering you, you have no right telling people what to do.

I wouldn't blame him if he is upset that one of his favorite parks has been "occupied".

Re: Occupy Portland's Dec 3rd Tactic to Neutralize Police

#88
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

THe discourse is mainly limited to the crazy antics of the protesters. They have proven profoundly incapable of delivering any coherent message.

That is just wrong. The whole world now knows the 1% term now.

And to what extent that's the case, the seeds of another Lenin or Robespierre, to slaughter the "1%" wholesale for the perceived greater good, have been planted.

Scapegoating the rich, or "bankers", or some ethnic group that's associated with the above, is a tactic we've seen before, and never leads to anything good.

Re: Occupy Portland's Dec 3rd Tactic to Neutralize Police

#89
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely different situations: 1: worse case in current situation, I may break a bone or get a concussion followed with medical attention and bragging rights with my peers 2: fire bullets into crowd, lots of people die. Or think about using flame throwers for crowd control

As far as the less lethal situation, using impact rounds can result in death. Fluidity of the crowd, improper use of the launcher, pure dumb luck can all play a role in where rounds land. People can, and have, died from direct fire with less lethals including the FN-303 Paint Marking launcher, various 12 gauge skip fire and direct fire munitions, 37mm gas munitions, and 40mm direct fire less lethal and gas munitions.…

All right there is some risk but in general it is not perceived/judged to be a risk by the people making the decisions to protest.

Re: Occupy Portland's Dec 3rd Tactic to Neutralize Police

#90
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont get the hatred that people like yourself have for the occupy protesters. If you think it is ineffective then you dont have to participate, they disagree and are not bothering you, you have no right telling people what to do.

I wouldn't blame him if he is upset that one of his favorite parks has been "occupied".

He's clearly upset about the wasted effort on a cause he cares about, not losing access to a park.
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