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Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by ipaddr »

monksy wrote: post #44
indymike wrote: post #27

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> Radio City Music Hall is a private venue, they can ban or exclude anyone they want, as long as it's not due to membership in a protected class. There are a ton of laws preventing this behavior by venues. Basically if you sell tickets to the public, you HAVE to let the ticket holders in, barring bad behavior at the gate or contraband. The idea that something is private means you can do whatever you want is very naiv…

MSG Certainly does not abide by that.("you have to let ticket holders in") I was banned entry [Chicago Theater] (not formally but at the door which was weird as that I was not trying to progress in) for refusing to encase my phone in the yonder pouch. Once denied, I requested a full refund of my ticket. I don't recall having the notice when I bought the ticket and the the ticket didn't state the phone casing. (This w…

You could have launched a lawsuit claim damages.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by kodyo »

rurp wrote: post #38
kodyo wrote: post #16

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Amen. Parallel industries will spring up to serve those disenfranchised from establishment dystopian nonsense, and the ongoing ideological self-segregation will accelerate. Best of all possible outcomes.

I wouldn't be so sure of this. There are countless examples of businesses applying gross discrimination practices for generations , and only stopping when forced to by the government.

Yep. That's the current narrative. Well done.

Jim Crow laws were passed and enforced by the government. There are countless examples of businesses having no choice but to discriminate because government told them to.

The government itself determined that segregation was A-OK as long as things were "separate but equal."

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by _visgean »

rrdharan wrote: post #30
irrational wrote: post #20

> It’s un-American to do this. This seems like a very American thing to do all of this. The lawsuit, the facial recognition, the counter lawsuit. So very American.

Actually it sounds very European to me - banning known hooligans from soccer stadiums? https://www.wired.com/story/soccer-world-cup-biometric-surve... https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/26/15435620/champions-league...

they are banning them because they have already caused trouble in similar situation. This is very different, she is being banned even though there is no indication that she would be security threat.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by [deleted] »

phkahler wrote: post #70
version_five wrote: post #6

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Yes this was exactly my thought. Every day we hear about someone kicked off google without recourse, often because of an automated decision incorrectly made. How long until people are banned from public venues for the same reason? For a long time now, governments have failed to modernize laws and regulations, and companies have stepped in with their own vigilante systems. We don't need more regulation, but we need up…

>> but we need updated standards for how technology like facial recognition can be aligned with previous norms and laws Can we just make personal data collection and sharing illegal? We got by before this was even possible.

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Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by slingnow »

monksy wrote: post #71

So I have been rejected and "banned" from a MSG venue. It's not fun, and it has nothing to do with your behavior. It was at the Chicago Theather and it was the Chris Rock show back in 2017. I bought the ticket, I don't believe that it had any special restrictions [this was a long time ago], the ticket had no indications about the "phoneless"/phone encasing demand. The event page didn't say anything about this. Howeve…

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Post by HarryHirsch »

cortesoft wrote: post #60
vleon42 wrote: post #35

I am torn actually unsure on what would be morally correct: 1. I, as an individual, am allowed to deny entry to persons I dislike from my private property. 2. I, as an individual, am allowed to deny entry to persons affiliated with a business I dislike from my private property. 3. I, as a business owner (eg: a restaurant), am allowed to deny entry to persons I dislike (eg: a previous patron who was violent) from my b…

In the US, at least, there are restrictions on 3. You can’t deny entry to black people, for example, just because you don’t like black people.

You can, however, deny employment to Dalits, and Oracle argues that it's Just Fine because there's no law.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by eouwt »

sneak wrote: post #59

Covid is still around. Always wear your mask in public. Don't show ID unless it's a cop demanding it (when it's legally required). Private parties can't demand ID. Don't give ID for routine transactions. Practice saying no to routine demands for your papers. It doesn't improve unless a lot of us start ending the transactions.

It's not uncommon for the T&Cs of tickets and such to require photo ID...in which case?

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by moloch-hai »

monksy wrote: post #71

So I have been rejected and "banned" from a MSG venue. It's not fun, and it has nothing to do with your behavior. It was at the Chicago Theather and it was the Chris Rock show back in 2017. I bought the ticket, I don't believe that it had any special restrictions [this was a long time ago], the ticket had no indications about the "phoneless"/phone encasing demand. The event page didn't say anything about this. Howeve…

This sort of thing, everywhere, is exactly what to expect from "deregulation".

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by drewbeck »

Orangeair wrote: post #26
ch4s3 wrote: post #11

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While in principle I'm inclined to agree, I'm not sure I want to live in a world where you might get yanked from a business after paying for entry because your employer is deemed to be adversarial. This has a nasty tinge of a cyberpunk dystopia. It fells at best illiberal, in the classical sense it like a kind of techno-mercantilism.

What really bothers me here is that the lady wasn't even involved in a lawsuit against Radio City Music Hall, it just happens to be the case that they're connected through some billion dollar conglomerate to the restaurant that she's involved in litigation with. Pissing off a mom and pop store and getting banned from that one location is one thing, but treading on the toe of an enormous corporation and being met with…

Yeah the possible chilling effect here is terrifying tbh, especially with all the mergers happening. Using the courts to get redress is a core pillar of our world (whether it should be or not is another topic). Imagine if Live Nation had a policy that anybody who works for any firm who is involved in any litigation against the company (or it’s many subsidiaries) can’t attend any of their shows or go to any of their venues. Firms would absolutely hesitate before they took on any related case bc of the impact on their employees, functionally increasing the ability of LN to do more bad.

It’s a gross system.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by BizarroLand »

hnuser847 wrote: post #74
advisedwang wrote: post #57

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Your totally ignore the key element here: a new technology is allowing denying entry at a whole new scale. Nobody really has an objection to organization blocking a single individual who is might cause trouble. But blocking an entire class of people is a) newly enabled* and b) much more harmful to society. If a venue kicked out a lawyer who was actively working on a lawsuit against the venue, nobody would bat an eye.…

> Your totally ignore the key element here: a new technology is allowing denying entry at a whole new scale. Nobody really has an objection to organization blocking a single individual who is might cause trouble. But blocking an entire class of people is a) newly enabled* and b) much more harmful to society. So you're okay with the principle of denying individuals entry to a private business, but you're NOT okay with…

You missed the point.

They're okay with the principle, AND they're okay with the technology, what they're NOT okay with is using the technology to microneedle and retaliate against tangentially innocent people.

The technology didn't decide to single the lawyer out, some manager or legal person did. It's not the tech that is wrong, it's the people's use of it.

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