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What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by hotpotamus »

LarryMullins wrote: post #78
harry8 wrote: post #67

So here is one of my current fav. conspiracy theories AND it involves Elon. Remember the first payload of his "Falcon Heavy" rocket - some tesla or other? Had a tailor's dummy in a space suit strapped in the front seat. That was a real person in the suit who had paid for the most effective, reliable and longest lasting cryogenic freeze available. No maintenance power required. Will continue to be frozen even if the e…

It's in heliocentric orbit, it's getting cooked by solar radiation every day, taking the full brunt of solar flares without a magnetosphere to protect it, etc. If there were a body in the suit, it would surely turn into beef jerky. Or perhaps soup, if the suit can keep the fluids in. All the DNA would be shattered beyond repair by intense gamma radiation. > but makes a certian amount more logical sense than a dummy i…

One potential limitation of cryogenics is that the radio isotopes in your own body will eventually cause too much damage to your DNA since natural repair processes will be offline as well. Obviously the radiation environment in space is much worse.

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by dmitryminkovsky »

afpx wrote: post #57
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I concluded to improve quality of life, no matter how finite, is a better endeavour than to prolong it. Seems like a false dichotomy. Aside from life support in one's final days, most practical medical interventions for prolonging life also result in significant improvements in quality of life. For example, healthy diet and exercise contribute to extended lifespan, but they also improve quality of life significantl…

Are you over 50? A year over 50 feels as satisfying as one month being 18. I’d rather enjoy what I have left.

Can you paraphrase this? Having trouble understanding what you mean and I want to know.

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by dmreedy »

banga wrote: post #70

I find the whole concept hilarious. There's an implicit assumption that someone in the future will be bothered to resurrect a frozen body, then resurrect them from death (since they already died before being popsicle-ified). And even if they could be bothered, the thawed would be a lab experiment, owned by whatever corporation pulled off the magic. And if magically they came out of the ordeal functional and free, the…

If you haven't already, and without too many spoilers further than some (non-comedic) resonance with your comment, Charles Sheffield's Tomorrow and Tomorrow is a worthy read.

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by BuyMyBitcoins »

banga wrote: post #70

I find the whole concept hilarious. There's an implicit assumption that someone in the future will be bothered to resurrect a frozen body, then resurrect them from death (since they already died before being popsicle-ified). And even if they could be bothered, the thawed would be a lab experiment, owned by whatever corporation pulled off the magic. And if magically they came out of the ordeal functional and free, the…

>”there'd be those pesky bureaucrats to deal with (id, taxes, all the fun stuff). Hilarious.”

Turns out, death can be cheated but the taxman cannot.

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by stephc_int13 »

RajT88 wrote: post #17
drchiu wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose what I didn’t reveal is that I spent a lot of time before medicine trying to coax cells whether in a culture or some other medium to grow in the way I wanted it to grow. And it was hard. It’s been a while, but if I could recall correctly, cells tended to have a finiteness in their very nature. I think at some subconscious level, I interpreted this as nature’s way of expressing that is how things are designe…

> It’s been a while, but if I could recall correctly, cells tended to have a finiteness in their very nature. This is known: https://en.wikipedia.org//wiki/Hayflick_limit

If you look about it a certain way. At the species level, we've already reached biological immortality.

The trick is to have some cells starting the process over. Sexual reproduction always started from pre-existing cells, rebuilding a full individual.

Using this process to repair all the living cells does not seem impossible.

Our understanding of DNA programming is far from sufficient to enable this kind of project, but I don't see why it could not be possible at some point.

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Post by ashwagary »

_c3ag wrote: post #63
ggreer wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't that argument prove too much? In the past, people's lives were shorter and more full of misery. Every improvement we've gotten has been due to people rejecting your philosophy. Assuming one can live longer (without being frail and demented) why not? It seems like if most people could choose, they'd prefer to have the mental and physical abilities of a 20-something while living as long as they wanted. Eventual…

so do you really prefer society putting effort in very complex labour that is unknown than making people aware of how important is a good diet and exercising often? as the website article typed, there is a long way to tickle trustable keys to preservation, let alone reviving a frozen body, let alone understanding what we have to do to live in peak capacity for 50 years, let alone to live 300… i sincerely prefer publi…

We have 8 billion people, no need for either ors.

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by stephc_int13 »

Cryonic preservation might or might not be possible, this is clearly a difficult process but we're never going to find out without trying.

Dead people have no use for money, doing this kind of research is not a waste, in my opinion, even if it is very unlikely to work at this stage.

Re: What happened to the first cryogenically frozen humans?

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Post by hotpotamus »

tempestn wrote: post #18

This actually reminds me of something I was thinking about a couple days ago. You know how people can be resuscitated after hours with their hearts stopped, if they were in near-freezing conditions? Like people who have drowned in frozen lakes and then been brought back hours later? Someone coined the phrase, "You're not dead until you're warm and dead." Well, I wonder if that could be done long term. I'm guessing al…

Surgeons do use induced hypothermia in some situations.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-11389464

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Post by dukeofdoom »

harry8 wrote: post #67

So here is one of my current fav. conspiracy theories AND it involves Elon. Remember the first payload of his "Falcon Heavy" rocket - some tesla or other? Had a tailor's dummy in a space suit strapped in the front seat. That was a real person in the suit who had paid for the most effective, reliable and longest lasting cryogenic freeze available. No maintenance power required. Will continue to be frozen even if the e…

The recent conspiracy I read is that Elon might be making clones of himself.

The last post Ye (Kanye) mades was a symbol that had a star of David with a swastika in it. And Elon personally kicked him off twitter immediately.

But that's actually a symbol for this cultish religious group.

"Raëlism teaches that an extraterrestrial species known as the Elohim created humanity using their advanced technology. It claims that throughout history the Alohim have created 40 Elohim/human hybrids who have served as prophets" You can see the symbol on their wikipedia page.

Raëlism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%ABlism

Remember when they cloned Dolly the sheep ... That was over 20 years ago.

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