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That’s a false equivalency, the first takes nothing extra from the purveyor, the second takes significant revenue directly from the artist.

So you are claiming that downloading illegal torrents is in fact legal?

Yes. Uploading them on the other hand…

Re: TV disappears, but HBO Max removing shows feels different

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I think part of the reason this is a big deal is that it breaks HBO’s brand. They have always been seen as a prestige channel that had a catalog of original programming you’d never see anywhere else. Westworld appeared to be part of this original programming portfolio and something that would live on as part of what it meant to be subscribed to HBO, like the Sopranos. Having the series disappear is like finding out t…

Yes but Westworld started out with a brilliant first season and went downhill from there until the 4th season was nearly unwatchable. The Sopranos was good right up until the end, which is not how I would have ended it. HBO might as well sell Westworld to a less premium outlet.

Re: TV disappears, but HBO Max removing shows feels different

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The last paragraph wasn't necessary to me; while I'm glad we have "if you can't pay I understand" -- but I also think that "if you can pay you always should" isn't nuanced enough? I imagine few of us want "cable all over again," but that's what it looks like we're headed toward? Offhand, I'd e.g. like to pay for individual shows. Let me pay $5 for Severance and I literally need nothing else from Apple TV.

That's unlikely to be a economically viable price point. DVDs used to cost about $20 / season, right? And digital purchase of shows (rather than subscriptions) when it used to be more of a thing was typically $2 / episode. Are you still game at those prices?

That’s cheap. I remember spending $60+ on a single season. Especially network stuff that might span 10-12 discs.

Re: TV disappears, but HBO Max removing shows feels different

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That’s a false equivalency, the first takes nothing extra from the purveyor, the second takes significant revenue directly from the artist.

So you are claiming that downloading illegal torrents is in fact legal?

It sounds like they're saying that if you pay, then it's just as moral to acquire your copy from a torrent as from a product. Would you disagree? The creators get the same (small) cut, the buyer gets the same product, so what's wrong with it?

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> the ideas around AI, consciousness & free will they wanted to explore I haven't seen S2, but with that description, and as an avid fan of the various incarnations of Ghost in the Shell, I want to see S2 to see how they explore those concepts.

Poorly.

(echoing) D'oh!

Re: TV disappears, but HBO Max removing shows feels different

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Some people buy (rent?) videos and books, then download a DRM free copy from bittorrent.

Buying a legit copy doesn't make it legal to download a pirated/illegal copy, any more than buying a band's CD makes it legal to sneak into their concert without a ticket.

This isn't actually settled in US law, as far as I can tell: if you actually do own a legal copy and you download another copy, it's unclear that you've actually done anything illegal.

IIRC this is the argument that Apple uses to de-duplicate copies of users' music libraries, sometimes to deleterious effect[1].

[1]: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252932712

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Buying a legit copy doesn't make it legal to download a pirated/illegal copy, any more than buying a band's CD makes it legal to sneak into their concert without a ticket.

This isn't actually settled in US law, as far as I can tell: if you actually do own a legal copy and you download another copy, it's unclear that you've actually done anything illegal. IIRC this is the argument that Apple uses to de-duplicate copies of users' music libraries, sometimes to deleterious effect[1]. [1]: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252932712

Yes, and as I understood it the illegal part of torrenting was the upload, not the download.

Re: TV disappears, but HBO Max removing shows feels different

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DVD Netflix service (yes this service is still around, albeit the library a fleeting image of what it once was) has the first 3 seasons of Westworld on Bluray [1]. Hopefully they’ll have S4 soon as well. [1] https://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/Westworld/80066897

On that pan, are you able to filter your search by Blu-ray vs DVD?

I don’t believe so— once you click on a title from the search you then find out if it’s available as Bluray or DVD I believe.

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> If you want to own an actual copy of a TV show or movie, buy the physical disc. For the vast majority of new TV shows, that option simply doesn’t exist anymore. It’s been that way for a couple of years now. You can only hope to find a torrent in good enough quality.

Just checked, you can get all of Westworld on BluRay.

Why would I want to watch it more than once?

Re: TV disappears, but HBO Max removing shows feels different

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I really don't understand why people are surprised. If you don't have access to the file itself, you don't own it. "Buying" a movie on a platform or paying for a subscription service are both just paying for a revokable license to access a movie. You do not own it and access can be revoked at any time according to whatever platform's ToS. If you want to own an actual copy of a TV show or movie, buy the physical disc.…

> If you want to own an actual copy of a TV show or movie, buy the physical disc. For the vast majority of new TV shows, that option simply doesn’t exist anymore. It’s been that way for a couple of years now. You can only hope to find a torrent in good enough quality.

Pirate it.
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