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Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by marvindanig »

jonathankoren wrote: post #79
riskable wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought the world decided that skeuomorphism was bad in and of itself and was merely a stepping stone to more usable designs? I seem to remember there was something on the front page of Hacker News years ago talking about just how much of a relic it has become because modern design paradigms were just so much better. I tried to find the link but this was the closest I could come up with: https://blog.prototypr.io/i…

Yup. There’s a reason why skeuomorphism died with Steve Jobs.

ah, but flat design is also skeuomorphic. methinks it was just some strategic intellectualism with no legs to look down on everything else that people made. clever tricks of the hive mind.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by wpietri »

maldev wrote: post #73
RajT88 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook will still be around in 5 years. The question is whether it will be relevant. People make the comparison to MySpace, because it's the most comparable service - Facebook de-throned it as the king of social media. And incidentally, MySpace is still around. They survived the de-throning by pivoting, which is inevitably what Facebook will do. I think we've seen the groundwork for it already.

Facebook's future isn't in the social media space though. Most of their endeavors are in VR and other cutting edge technologies, hence the name change to Meta. I wouldn't be surprised if they saw the writing on the walls years ago. They've been hiring AI, and VR researchers for years now and are the industry leader in VR at least.

But a leader in what exactly? I have been looking for years for actual usage stats. E.g., MAU and UAM for VR headsets, especially ones broken out by length of ownership. I get that people are buying Oculus units because of the hype, but is there much sustained usage? If so, what exactly is keeping people engaged once the novelty wears off?

As comparison, look at Amazon's smart speakers. $10 billion spent, lots of hype, part of the zeitgeist enough that SNL is doing jokes about it [1]. End of the day it's a "colossal failure": https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/11/amazon-alexa-is-a-co...

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvT_gqs5ETk

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by wackget »

> The EU decision will not have direct consequences for users, unfortunately, as it can be appealed to. Such an appeal would lead to a lengthy judicial process.

So companies can flout the law for years, making massive profits, and continue to do so for as long as they can string along an appeal process? Seems like a pretty nice loophole.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by croes »

riskable wrote: post #57
oxff wrote: post #48

Why is there a random picture of a dude in the article

That picture is of "Max Schrems, the lawyer who successfully sued Facebook for privacy violations against European citizens" which is another article at that site. They probably just forgot to link it and give it an appropriate caption.

He did more than suing FB.

He helped to get rid of Safe Harbor and Privacy Shield because they didn't protect the data of EU users.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by croes »

maldev wrote: post #73
RajT88 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook will still be around in 5 years. The question is whether it will be relevant. People make the comparison to MySpace, because it's the most comparable service - Facebook de-throned it as the king of social media. And incidentally, MySpace is still around. They survived the de-throning by pivoting, which is inevitably what Facebook will do. I think we've seen the groundwork for it already.

Facebook's future isn't in the social media space though. Most of their endeavors are in VR and other cutting edge technologies, hence the name change to Meta. I wouldn't be surprised if they saw the writing on the walls years ago. They've been hiring AI, and VR researchers for years now and are the industry leader in VR at least.

Meta "vision" of the Metaverse is still a social media verse

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by croes »

ethbr0 wrote: post #68
RajT88 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook will still be around in 5 years. The question is whether it will be relevant. People make the comparison to MySpace, because it's the most comparable service - Facebook de-throned it as the king of social media. And incidentally, MySpace is still around. They survived the de-throning by pivoting, which is inevitably what Facebook will do. I think we've seen the groundwork for it already.

Facebook's survival (and MySpace's before them) is predicated on continued advertising revenue. Continued advertising revenue is predicated on user count and eyeball time. Consequently, the only thing that really kills Facebook is if users abandon the platform. And there isn't really a Mastodon-equivalent alternative for FB's feature set. Or even assurance that there could be (i.e. features that require centralizatio…

Myspace is still alive

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by croes »

rvz wrote: post #14

Good. So the invasive tracking that TikTok and every other social network does in Europe should also be illegal as well then? If not, then is it's only a matter of time and eventual enforcement and outlawing this behaviour for everyone. Should not be just Meta; we need to go further and cover all social networks.

It is illegal, but Meta is the big fish even with tracking of non-users

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by giraffe_lady »

marvindanig wrote: post #78
riskable wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought the world decided that skeuomorphism was bad in and of itself and was merely a stepping stone to more usable designs? I seem to remember there was something on the front page of Hacker News years ago talking about just how much of a relic it has become because modern design paradigms were just so much better. I tried to find the link but this was the closest I could come up with: https://blog.prototypr.io/i…

oh, yes! i remember those angry troll comments on HN as well. as if flattening all UI was the only thing that mattered and everything else was skeuomorphism. no sweetie, not everything needs to be a pictogram. and everything you see or use online is skeuomorphism off of something in the physical world at some level. yeah, that flat design also. Edit: Added "at some level" after helpful comments below.

If everything is something, then something isn't a useful category. Sure, all digital design is in some sense and to some extent a metaphor for real world objects. But skeuomorphism was always referring to things that were to an extreme extent following the design language of the real world, well beyond what was required by their digital constraints or expectations of the user.

That is a useful category of visual language description that is lost when you start with all-design-is-skeuomorphism. It's not wrong it's just not a useful model for anything.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by ls15 »

wackget wrote: post #84

> The EU decision will not have direct consequences for users, unfortunately, as it can be appealed to. Such an appeal would lead to a lengthy judicial process. So companies can flout the law for years, making massive profits, and continue to do so for as long as they can string along an appeal process? Seems like a pretty nice loophole.

Certain companies can
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