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Short term yes, long term unclear. I’ve personally experienced something that could be cranked out in a multi day white boarding session stretch out for months of on/off meetings. It’s harder to collaborate remotely.
At that point, have everyone get together for an offsite/onsite.
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At that point, have everyone get together for an offsite/onsite.
That was the plan but unfortunately there was a company-wide travel freeze
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Its toxic to not want to be on zoom or have to book a meeting room to talk? >no different than working with someone in another office Given the choice, they'd likely prefer someone local in this case as well.
I might have used a different word than toxic. But, in general, it's unrealistic for many teams at many larger companies to expect everyone to be local and physically available for a random meeting. On my team people are scattered all over the US and at least one is in Europe. And that's not at all unusual.
Companies may ask, but usually people quit and productivity drops. For me return to office would be 60% pay cut. Good luck finding another developer :)
Everyone thinks they're a special snowflake, but the reality is that 75% of devs are easily replaced
Everywhere I went companies had bold plans regarding hiring, but somehow never managed to realise them.
This is a bold claim made on a very shaky set of data. Most companies aren't going to explicitly post jobs for remote, just because a lot of talent management platforms don't really support it well. I think the goto is to post the job as available in every location the company has an office, and see what the applicant wants to do. Of course employers want people to come back. They have millions if not billions of dol…
No wonder I never find many jobs in "Remote, OR!"
This is a bold claim made on a very shaky set of data. Most companies aren't going to explicitly post jobs for remote, just because a lot of talent management platforms don't really support it well. I think the goto is to post the job as available in every location the company has an office, and see what the applicant wants to do. Of course employers want people to come back. They have millions if not billions of dol…
> Of course employers want people to come back. Yes, and now, let's define "employers." None of the engineers I know want to be back in the office, including a lot of folks whom I'd call a "manager." At best, we want to be there 1 or 2 days of the week, or month, or financial quarter. We always knew that we got the short end of the stick with office politics, with petty concerns like how well-dressed we were, or how…
This.
Imagine redoing The Office (either version), but with everyone working remotely. Barely any show left. It would consist only of "can you hear me?" and banter while waiting for everyone important to join and "hey, you're muted!"
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> My current company hasn't made such a demand, but I've also heard that in others in this country about 20% of people actually prefer to work in person daily, everyone else seems to work remotely. That 20% probably also expects/demands everyone else show up, because they prefer everyone else to be there, too! :)
> That 20% probably also expects/demands everyone else show up, because they prefer everyone else to be there, too! :) This hasn't been my experience exactly, though I've also participated in the occasional get-together at the office when the team collectively decided to work together in person. As for the motivations of those who prefer to be at the office, some might have living conditions where the office environm…
The rest of us judge. That's part of being human and trying to understand situations. (Judge strongly but lightly?)
I only mention this because that comment seemed a bit like shaming for using judgement.
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> BTW - my current employer (big tech company) also wants to bring everyone back into the office, even though it increased the headcount during the pandemic and there was no campus expansion for 1 and half year due to COVID lockdowns and there is no space for everyone. My current company hasn't made such a demand, but I've also heard that in others in this country about 20% of people actually prefer to work in person…
> My current company hasn't made such a demand, but I've also heard that in others in this country about 20% of people actually prefer to work in person daily, everyone else seems to work remotely. That 20% probably also expects/demands everyone else show up, because they prefer everyone else to be there, too! :)
This is a bold claim made on a very shaky set of data. Most companies aren't going to explicitly post jobs for remote, just because a lot of talent management platforms don't really support it well. I think the goto is to post the job as available in every location the company has an office, and see what the applicant wants to do. Of course employers want people to come back. They have millions if not billions of dol…
Or worse, a pattern I've seen is list a single job 3+ times - once for each office location and then again for remote.
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Where’s the evidence you can deliver if it’s never been seen. Definitely people I trust no matter what their schedule. Definitely people who worked fine before pandemic and people I hired during the pandemic that are close to useless and just pretend to work if they’re not in the office.
>just pretend to work if they’re not in the office. What makes you think they'd be any different in an office? Have you actually walked around an office before? A Significant portion of people are faffing about for the majority of the day. But in remote there's no need to do kabuki and swap tabs whenever your boss walks by so you look busy.