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Re: North Korea – teenagers executed for distributing South Korean movies

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Why is this NK apologist post getting upvoted? Anyone who thinks dictatorships like this are fine should move there and become citizens.

Maybe it’s fine for you to be ok with lying but it’s generally frowned upon.

Sorry, who is lying? Being supportive of any dictator (including Xi) is anti-human.

Re: North Korea – teenagers executed for distributing South Korean movies

#82

>source: Radio Free Asia, Liberty Times Every time. And as usual, only unnamed sources. Other great hits include: - Every citizen must use the same haircut as Kim Jong-un - NK government announced that they found a "unicorn" - NK official was executed for bad posture - Kim Jong-un's uncle was eaten alive by starving dogs - Kim Jong-un labels DOG MEAT a 'superfood' - North Korea tells parents to give kids patriotic na…

For me, the only metric is: can people leave from there? People cannot leave North Korea, ergo it sucks.

I consider exit visas to be not a good sign, confiscation of passports to be another (the US IRS), and a new tool of the UK that is extrajudicially sanctioning their own citizens (see Graham Phillips) for yet another. Not to say these countries are close to equal but they are more alike than we might realize and increasingly more so in worrying ways.

‘The safeguards of liberty have frequently been forged in controversies involving not very nice people’ - US Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter

Re: North Korea – teenagers executed for distributing South Korean movies

#83

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Lmao. > They are very aware that their country is massively worse off than the rest of the world That's not necessarily true. They don't have access to the internet or foreign media. Only propaganda. > yet they don't murder their kings If it was that easy, every country would be a democracy.

>> yet they don't murder their kings > If it was that easy, every country would be a democracy. If it was that easy, every country would be ruled by the group of people that is best at killing kings.

Seems about right for the modern age if you look at history and how many "kings" have been killed

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Both China and the US actively support the regime in material terms.

How exactly does US support it?

The US has sent large quantities of food and fuel. Specifically during famine periods (when uprisings would otherwise have been likely) but also at other times. The US gave these goods specifically to the regime allowing them to control the food supply AND keep their forces mobile when otherwise they would have faced a starving population with very limited military capacity.

It's been a very weird thing to watch for 20 years: when it looks like the North Korean system might fail, the US leads assistance to it. Then when it recovers and returns to it's weapons program the US does nothing. That's how we got into a place where North Korea has functional nuclear weapons and will soon have the missiles to deliver them to the whole USA. At that point the US will just have to keep subsidising the regime. It's been decades of mismanagement of the situation over at least 4 administrations.

Re: North Korea – teenagers executed for distributing South Korean movies

#85

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Maybe it’s fine for you to be ok with lying but it’s generally frowned upon.

Sorry, who is lying? Being supportive of any dictator (including Xi) is anti-human.

No post body was provided.

Re: North Korea – teenagers executed for distributing South Korean movies

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>source: Radio Free Asia, Liberty Times Every time. And as usual, only unnamed sources. Other great hits include: - Every citizen must use the same haircut as Kim Jong-un - NK government announced that they found a "unicorn" - NK official was executed for bad posture - Kim Jong-un's uncle was eaten alive by starving dogs - Kim Jong-un labels DOG MEAT a 'superfood' - North Korea tells parents to give kids patriotic na…

For me, the only metric is: can people leave from there? People cannot leave North Korea, ergo it sucks.

There are several North Koreans that leaves to work or study in Russia and China, their neighbour countries.

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At some point we have to accept that this is the People of North Koreas fault. They are very aware that their country is massively worse off than the rest of the world, yet they don't murder their kings.

You can also blame the average american for contributing to american imperialism and its vast amount of coups, invasions and terrorism

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I’m reluctant to use “luxury” to describe these rights, and even more reluctant to suggest the west shares them well. The former sets up an argument that these rights are superfluous, and the latter fails to recognize areas where the west does poorly at upholding rights, especially the limitations on speech imposed by many western governments.

> the limitations on speech imposed by many western governments Ok enough I quit hacker news

Then go. The quality of your comment is extremely poor and is the exact kind of talk that will eventually turn this place into reddit, echo chamber devoid of actual discussion and difficult ideas. Here, the goal is to say something meaningful and extend the conversation, not stop discussion with vague appeal to emotions about frustrations with the "wrong opinion". I'd've actually been on your side in a discussion if it had continued rather than being stonewalled by attempting to set up a barrier between who's allowed to post and who's not. By commenting that you're implicitly pushing this place towards a culture that throws its hands up and plugs its ears whenever a "difficult" idea is presented. If you cannot handle that, then this isn't the place for you.

But who knows, maybe if you'd genuinely asked and heard them out instead of going all, "we don't like your kind here", you might've found yourself agreeing with them. Who knows, but this is about the genuine and free discussion of ideas, not baiting flame wars.

Edit: this is a long comment. It's the first one I've posted after seeing growing number of anti-discussion, reddit-like behavior. It's personally frustrating to me because this is where I go to get away from stuff like this. I hope this isn't too angry or judgy, and I hope everyone's doing okay.

Re: North Korea – teenagers executed for distributing South Korean movies

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>source: Radio Free Asia, Liberty Times Every time. And as usual, only unnamed sources. Other great hits include: - Every citizen must use the same haircut as Kim Jong-un - NK government announced that they found a "unicorn" - NK official was executed for bad posture - Kim Jong-un's uncle was eaten alive by starving dogs - Kim Jong-un labels DOG MEAT a 'superfood' - North Korea tells parents to give kids patriotic na…

Radio Free Asia is literally a State Department propaganda front and should be treated as such.

No it’s not “literally” a State Department front.

It’s a news agency funded by the US government via the US Agency for Global Media, which is an independent agency of the US government. The Secretary of State used to be on the board of directors by rule but that changed in 2017.

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