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Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

#81

Post by asguy »

Conan_Kudo wrote: post #57
School-Cotton wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a number of reasons. 1. I prefer Mac hardware to any PC hardware (I don't know any manufacturers who come close to apple in hardware quality, so I don't think the "comparable PC" you cite even exists in reality). 2. I prefer to use Linux, since I'm more familiar with it, I'm more likely to be able to debug it when things go wrong (macOS Just Works more reliably, but when it doesn't, I'm stuck), and also I w…

I would probably suggest that Lenovo comes pretty close to Apple in terms of build quality. I have both Macs and ThinkPads and they both feel pretty good. The Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 10 is available with Fedora Linux as an option[1] and pretty much everything works out of the box with great performance. If you're in Europe, you can also get the ThinkPad Z13 and Z16 (which are AMD-based laptops) with Fedora as w…

Lenovo isn't close. I have several generations of X1 Carbons, and they all do terrible things like:

- Scratch their own screens when lids are closed - Have failing LCD connectors (especially true with my 4k variant). - Flex terribly.

I bought an M2 Air recently, and it's a far better machine.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

#82

Post by Cannabat »

Conan_Kudo wrote: post #57
School-Cotton wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a number of reasons. 1. I prefer Mac hardware to any PC hardware (I don't know any manufacturers who come close to apple in hardware quality, so I don't think the "comparable PC" you cite even exists in reality). 2. I prefer to use Linux, since I'm more familiar with it, I'm more likely to be able to debug it when things go wrong (macOS Just Works more reliably, but when it doesn't, I'm stuck), and also I w…

I would probably suggest that Lenovo comes pretty close to Apple in terms of build quality. I have both Macs and ThinkPads and they both feel pretty good. The Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 10 is available with Fedora Linux as an option[1] and pretty much everything works out of the box with great performance. If you're in Europe, you can also get the ThinkPad Z13 and Z16 (which are AMD-based laptops) with Fedora as w…

The X1s have great build quality compared to other non-Apple laptops, but mine didn't last but about 1.5 years of daily work use before the case itself started failing (case metal chipping and bending + keys failing, battery issues, ports failing, etc etc). On the other hand, my 2014 macbook air still looks almost new even after almost 7 years of daily use.

I think it's as close as it gets, but it's still nowhere near Apple. I'd love to see a premium non-Apple manufacturer.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

#83

Post by oyashirochama »

asguy wrote: post #81
Conan_Kudo wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would probably suggest that Lenovo comes pretty close to Apple in terms of build quality. I have both Macs and ThinkPads and they both feel pretty good. The Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 10 is available with Fedora Linux as an option[1] and pretty much everything works out of the box with great performance. If you're in Europe, you can also get the ThinkPad Z13 and Z16 (which are AMD-based laptops) with Fedora as w…

Lenovo isn't close. I have several generations of X1 Carbons, and they all do terrible things like: - Scratch their own screens when lids are closed - Have failing LCD connectors (especially true with my 4k variant). - Flex terribly. I bought an M2 Air recently, and it's a far better machine.

To be fair Macbooks will still scratch their screen if they weren't using glass, Thinkpads don't if they have the glass varient as well. There isn't a true Matte option for Apple and it shows why, even if there ever release the nano frosted version it loses to basic Matte panels for range and glare or lack of.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

#84

Post by philliphaydon »

Cannabat wrote: post #82
Conan_Kudo wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would probably suggest that Lenovo comes pretty close to Apple in terms of build quality. I have both Macs and ThinkPads and they both feel pretty good. The Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 10 is available with Fedora Linux as an option[1] and pretty much everything works out of the box with great performance. If you're in Europe, you can also get the ThinkPad Z13 and Z16 (which are AMD-based laptops) with Fedora as w…

The X1s have great build quality compared to other non-Apple laptops, but mine didn't last but about 1.5 years of daily work use before the case itself started failing (case metal chipping and bending + keys failing, battery issues, ports failing, etc etc). On the other hand, my 2014 macbook air still looks almost new even after almost 7 years of daily use. I think it's as close as it gets, but it's still nowhere nea…

I still have a gen1 x1 extreme and its going strong. Runs fedora flawlessly. If I don't buy Apple then I aint buying anything other than Lenovo.

Work gave me a DELL XPS 15, one of the worst laptops ever. 2 jobs, 2 XPS's, both 2 generations apart and both terrible plagued with issues.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

#85

Post by oyashirochama »

School-Cotton wrote: post #61
Conan_Kudo wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would probably suggest that Lenovo comes pretty close to Apple in terms of build quality. I have both Macs and ThinkPads and they both feel pretty good. The Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 10 is available with Fedora Linux as an option[1] and pretty much everything works out of the box with great performance. If you're in Europe, you can also get the ThinkPad Z13 and Z16 (which are AMD-based laptops) with Fedora as w…

That laptop is not “high-end”. i7 processor, standard (not 4K) screen resolution, Intel graphics. I also have a thinkpad, and it gives me no end of issues, presumably largely due to the Nvidia GPU. There are also some weird non-GPU-related quirks; for example, charging over USB-C sporadically stops working (requiring an unplug and re-plug of the cable), especially when the battery is low.

Ny X1 has lasted for 3+ years of really hard use and only really has issues due to my own fiddling with clocks. It also has weird TB3 eGPU issues but thats nearly every laptop with a dedicated gpu and TB3, which are a pretty small list surprisingly. Took a 64gb upgrade easily, and raid nvme with ease.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

#86

Post by jjtheblunt »

Conan_Kudo wrote: post #57
School-Cotton wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a number of reasons. 1. I prefer Mac hardware to any PC hardware (I don't know any manufacturers who come close to apple in hardware quality, so I don't think the "comparable PC" you cite even exists in reality). 2. I prefer to use Linux, since I'm more familiar with it, I'm more likely to be able to debug it when things go wrong (macOS Just Works more reliably, but when it doesn't, I'm stuck), and also I w…

I would probably suggest that Lenovo comes pretty close to Apple in terms of build quality. I have both Macs and ThinkPads and they both feel pretty good. The Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 10 is available with Fedora Linux as an option[1] and pretty much everything works out of the box with great performance. If you're in Europe, you can also get the ThinkPad Z13 and Z16 (which are AMD-based laptops) with Fedora as w…

Is there an ARM Lenovo with Linux?

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

#87

Post by goosedragons »

musicale wrote: post #51
sofixa wrote: post #21

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The hardware is pretty good. Utterly unmaintainable, unserviceable and unapgradeable, extremely overpriced tiering (e.g. adding storage or RAM which you have to do at purchase time), with limited options (e.g. i cannot stand glossy screens with shitty reflections everywhere causing eye strain), but still very good. However the software (macOS) is pretty shit and IMO hard to adapt to coming from any other OS. Raw perf…

> extremely overpriced tiering (e.g. adding storage or RAM As I understand it, Apple uses a "system in a package" multi chip module that mounts RAM inside the same package as the main M1/M2 SoC. Seems to work well in terms of memory bandwidth, unified memory architecture, and physical size, but it's hard to crack that SIP/MCM open to add more RAM. And it's even harder to add RAM to an SoC die itself. And the GPU is i…

Even on the remaining Intel models having Apple upgrade the RAM is a bad deal. The Intel Mac Mini has socketed RAM and they want $1000 for 64GB of DDR4 2666. You can get 64GB DDR4 3200 sodimms for less than $200 right now. Even in 2018 it was a bad deal. I put 32GB in the one I had for less than a third the price Apple was asking.

And for storage that isn't on the SoC, it's just flash chips on the board so it shouldn't be much different cost wise to what the M.2 drive manufacturers are paying. Yet it costs considerably more.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

#89

Post by Maursault »

tambourine_man wrote: post #31
kitsunesoba wrote: post #27

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Serviceability is improved (though still not amazing) in all the machines with chassises redesigned during the "M" era — the "notched" MBP 14/16 and Air have easily accessible bottom screws (no need to remove rubber feet first) and don't have batteries glued in. Keyboards can be changed independently from the top case too. Notably, many Windows laptops fail on both of those counts (like the LG Gram which hides screws…

Macs, for me, are the software. This is something that became pretty evident during the Intel era. And I bought Macs exclusively when the hardware was both much slower and pricier than PCs (68k and PPC), because I loved the software so much. Funny to read such an opposite opinion. I don’t mind the pretty casing, but it’s icing on the cake.

> And I bought Macs exclusively when the hardware was both much slower and pricier than PCs (68k and PPC), because I loved the software so much.

Incredible that these myths are being perpetuated by a Mac user. The fact is that at release, new Macs (including 68k and PPC) were always the most performant machines available in their class. Always. You could buy a cheaper x86, but it wasn't as powerful on that date. And the fact is, Mac prices were and are always within $100 of a feature-matched PC. The problem was consistently that PC consumers didn't want the included hardware features, wanted other features that weren't included, and translated that they could buy a much shittier PC for less as Macs being outrageously expensive. It was always bullshit. Ornery PC consumers were never Apple's market. Macs were and are the computer "for the rest of us." And, ironically, everything Apple designs gets copied poorly by Microsoft and PC manufacturers. Asahi is the inverse of Hackintosh. Both ideas are somewhat ridiculous. I want a Ford engine in my Chevy powered by tomato soup!

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

#90

Post by ndrake »

breakfastduck wrote: post #76
psychoslave wrote: post #56

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I started to use a Mac for work a few months ago, first time in my life. I am still often frustrated with keyboard shortcuts, despite having installed a dedicated software to not feel in such an alien place. Sure there is a lot of muscle memory you can blame here. But how does it happens that the default OS doesn't provide the software option? Brew is nice, but here too it's community work filling the hole of the def…

Option + arrow / cmd + arrow does exactly the same as end / home etc, if you've just not found that yet. I always find it interesting when people complain about keyboard shortcuts on macOS - but I feel exactly the same when I use anything else. macOS keyboard shortcuts are amazing and os-wide. But they're not made obvious. Its really kinda snobbish that apple just assume you know them they treat it like 'because obvi…

And if you're used to Emacs/Readline keybindings, those will work in most Mac text inputs
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