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BBC documentary used face-swapping AI to hide protesters' identities

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Re: BBC documentary used face-swapping AI to hide protesters' identities

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Post by Melting_Harps »

bennysonething wrote: post #78

"an artificial intelligence was used" this is weird phrasing? Why "an" is that normal?

> "an artificial intelligence was used" this is weird phrasing? Why "an" is that normal?

Yes, it's typical syntax in the English language to separate vowels in that manner. English has lots of very little foibles like this (Y is sometimes a vowel) that you would be privy to unless you're a native speaker, so I can understand why you'd be confused, take a look here [0] for more info.

0: https://linguistics.stackexchange.com/questions/12798/why-is...

Re: BBC documentary used face-swapping AI to hide protesters' identities

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Post by SilverBirch »

yucky wrote: post #32

Quoted post unavailable.

Tthis works the same way any journalism works which is that you negotiate with you sources how they want to be identified and what precautions you'll take to protect their identity. The BBC doesn't interview a bunch of people and then go "I think you can go get abducted by the Chinese state, but you we'll protect", they negotiate up front what they'll record, and the conditions under which it's released.

Re: BBC documentary used face-swapping AI to hide protesters' identities

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Post by SilverBirch »

my_city wrote: post #33

Why West can promote separatists, terrorists and internal divisions with zero consequences? If Texas had a separatist movement that wanted to start a civil war to secede from the United States do you think it wouldn't be crushed? The United Kingdom is the worst offender in this, they violently repressed any revolutionary attempt in their colonies. Honk Kong is a chinese teritory, end of story. Like Texas, or the city…

You haven't really picked the best example here, because in the last decade the UK literally gave Scotland a referendum on leaving the union. So yes, the UK does support a right to self-determination, even for integral parts of their territory. It's also worth noting that in response to China's moves in HK hundreds of thousands of HK residents have fled to.. the UK.

Re: BBC documentary used face-swapping AI to hide protesters' identities

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

SilverBirch wrote: post #82
yucky wrote: post #32

Quoted post unavailable.

Tthis works the same way any journalism works which is that you negotiate with you sources how they want to be identified and what precautions you'll take to protect their identity. The BBC doesn't interview a bunch of people and then go "I think you can go get abducted by the Chinese state, but you we'll protect", they negotiate up front what they'll record, and the conditions under which it's released.

There is no point in giving good faith explanations in reply to rhetoric that wasn't good faith and seeking understanding in the first place, just pushing a particular narrative. I refer you to the sibling comment, which fully understands this.

Re: BBC documentary used face-swapping AI to hide protesters' identities

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Post by zelos »

my_city wrote: post #47
kybernetyk wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two wrongs don't make one right. While your first two paragraphs are correct your conclusion is totally bonkers.

There is only one wrong, which is the story of western nations (the british mainly, but all of Europe to a lesser extent) and non western (Japan) colonizing, invading, and exploiting China as a colony. Honk Kong was taken from China and only restituted in 1997. That the BBC, the main promoter of british colonialism talks about the honk kong protests as if they were some "heroic" people, is just imperialism in the 21t…

> That the BBC, the main promoter of british colonialism...

I take it you don't actually watch any BBC output, then?

Re: BBC documentary used face-swapping AI to hide protesters' identities

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Post by d1sxeyes »

Melting_Harps wrote: post #81
bennysonething wrote: post #78

"an artificial intelligence was used" this is weird phrasing? Why "an" is that normal?

> "an artificial intelligence was used" this is weird phrasing? Why "an" is that normal? Yes, it's typical syntax in the English language to separate vowels in that manner. English has lots of very little foibles like this (Y is sometimes a vowel) that you would be privy to unless you're a native speaker, so I can understand why you'd be confused, take a look here [0] for more info. 0: https://linguistics.stackexchan…

I think OP was not asking why we have the 'n' inserted, but why we are using an article at all, instead of 'an artificial intelligence' why not just 'artificial intelligence was used', after all, 'intelligence' is not normally a count noun.

Looking at OP's post history, I doubt they're confused about using 'an' vs 'a'.

In short, I think the use of 'an' here means it's a single specifically trained AI. It would not be wrong to say 'artificial intelligence was used' though, it just doesn't highlight the dedicated nature of the AI used.

Similar difference to 'Someone swapped the faces' and 'An expert swapped the faces'.

Re: BBC documentary used face-swapping AI to hide protesters' identities

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Post by ethbr0 »

Eleison23 wrote: post #74
ethbr0 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It depends on the country. IANAL, but in the US you'd need (a) rights to the image being used (e.g. shot yourself, in public) & (b) a damn good argument that your juxtaposition of their likeness and your words doesn't cause them monetary damages (e.g. in the form of lost revenue from reputation).

>IANAL, but in the US you'd need (a) rights to the image being used (e.g. shot yourself, in public) & (b) a damn good argument that your juxtaposition of their likeness and your words doesn't cause them monetary damages (e.g. in the form of lost revenue from reputation). Well... "need" is, as I often say, quite a strong word. Might makes right, and money talks, so if you don't want to bother getting the rights, or th…

Because anyone you want to exploit by definition either has enough money or visibility to avail themselves of legal redress?

Re: BBC documentary used face-swapping AI to hide protesters' identities

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Post by yucky »

SilverBirch wrote: post #82
yucky wrote: post #32

Quoted post unavailable.

Tthis works the same way any journalism works which is that you negotiate with you sources how they want to be identified and what precautions you'll take to protect their identity. The BBC doesn't interview a bunch of people and then go "I think you can go get abducted by the Chinese state, but you we'll protect", they negotiate up front what they'll record, and the conditions under which it's released.

Sounds good in theory, and with individual interviews that is easy enough. But coverage of protests will likely include masses of people, in public and therefore with no expectation of privacy. So how is the decision made on which masses of protestors in public get their ID obfuscated, and which don't?

Re: BBC documentary used face-swapping AI to hide protesters' identities

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Post by bennysonething »

d1sxeyes wrote: post #86
Melting_Harps wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "an artificial intelligence was used" this is weird phrasing? Why "an" is that normal? Yes, it's typical syntax in the English language to separate vowels in that manner. English has lots of very little foibles like this (Y is sometimes a vowel) that you would be privy to unless you're a native speaker, so I can understand why you'd be confused, take a look here [0] for more info. 0: https://linguistics.stackexchan…

I think OP was not asking why we have the 'n' inserted, but why we are using an article at all, instead of 'an artificial intelligence' why not just 'artificial intelligence was used', after all, 'intelligence' is not normally a count noun. Looking at OP's post history, I doubt they're confused about using 'an' vs 'a'. In short, I think the use of 'an' here means it's a single specifically trained AI. It would not be…

Sorry, I should have been a bit clearer what I was questioning.
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