Why are they at work at 1am?
to let that sink in
Twitter at 1am on a Friday
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Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday
#82It's kind of sad to see so many people just take this story at face value. Is it really 1am? I could certainly believe it, but some random picture doesn't make it true. Also, even it is 1am, it's possible that work ended hours ago, and that some people are staying late to talk to Musk. Who knows, but to assume that everyone is being forced to stay, maybe, maybe not. I guess I'd like a little evidence. The number of p…
Why should people automatically disbelieve word-of-mouth any more or less than they should believe it, as long as they are not making it into some kind of conviction from which they base significant material action?
Also, is nobody asking questions? I've seen multiple people doing so, including you.
Also, in your accusation of racism, you are making assumptions about assumptions.
Also, is positing that there are H1Bs among non-white tech workers "immensely racist", or is that dramatic?
Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday
#83Lots of comments on how hackathons and late night sessions were fond memories for people. The difference is those events were chosen. If you are forced to remain at your company (due to visa issues for example) being forced by your CEO to stay at work until 1am is atrocious. This is not a profession where being at the office this late is the norm and it's not typical for the environment. Twitter is not a startup in a…
There is a more simple explanation: that these are the folks who actually want to go "hardcore" and build to some actual vision.
That's not an acceptable explanation. They need to be assigned an acceptable one. As you can see, there are many volunteers assigning them.
Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday
#84Lots of comments on how hackathons and late night sessions were fond memories for people. The difference is those events were chosen. If you are forced to remain at your company (due to visa issues for example) being forced by your CEO to stay at work until 1am is atrocious. This is not a profession where being at the office this late is the norm and it's not typical for the environment. Twitter is not a startup in a…
The fact that so many people so willingly give in to it is why sociopaths rule us all.
Just an example: if you hold an L visa, your only other option is packing your stuff and going back to your home country.
Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am just imagining how to start a meeting with the remaining 25% skeleton crew of technical folks. Seems like drawing a map of the system and allowing various folks to contribute their part would be a super positive experience all around. What would be other alternative explanations?
Only about 70 employees showed up (out of 7500 a month ago).
crazy situation; all the more reason to draw a map to see where we are all at.
Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday
#86Some people have families and a life outside of work. We sure as heck ain't staying until 1am for anybody.
Other ways of saying the same thing:
”I can’t do this because I have to be with my family in the evenings.”
”This sort of thing wouldn’t work for me due to commitments I’ve made outside work.”
”I personally wouldn’t do this.”
What you said instead is pretty packed in terms of a guns-blazin’ take which, while understandable here, reminds me of something much less constructive: how often I encounter people who share your sentiment at my current workplace.
Specifically, the tone with which you say it is what rings true. “We” instead of “I”, refuse-to instead of decline-to, poking at a lack of family or social life, and the need to tell everyone about a personal preference — reasonable in your case, in the context of a discussion, although I note yours is a top level comment so not exactly a reply to anything anyone here has said.
I think I understand the anger. Some people can’t take part in extra curricular work stuff, or want to express solidarity that would normally be expressed through a union, or feel that an employer who tolerates and even encourages work-outside-of-work is immoral and must be challenged.
These are valid feelings. They probably indicate being in the wrong field (bleeding edge knowledge work) or the wrong sized company (small, highly remunerated, with high growth expectations.) Neither of these apply to Twitter.
Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a more simple explanation: that these are the folks who actually want to go "hardcore" and build to some actual vision.
That's not an acceptable explanation. They need to be assigned an acceptable one. As you can see, there are many volunteers assigning them.
sorry I dont quite understand what you mean by "acceptable one" and "give them one". Which one are you referring to?
Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday
#88Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday
#89I am amazed by how polarizing this seems to be. Some of my best memories are from previous startups with this exact 1am energy. This is how shared mental models are built, shit gets done, and shared suffering cements lifelong bonds.
I believe that those memories are of times that share some factual similarities to the pictured scene, but it seems pretty presumptuous to assert that the energy is the same.
Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday
#90Looking at that diagram, and thinking the person who needed it just bought the company for 44 billion dollars, is bewildering.
I see that whiteboard as a mechanism to help build a shared mental model for all assembled. Everyone there has seen some previous unknown revision of architectural diagrams, and has their own partial model of the system. Due to the urgency at hand, they all need to have a crisp shared model of the important parts, down to the naming of things.
If you need a shared mental model diagram at the 1am pseudo-crunch-a-thon then you're doing something wrong.
Identifying what you want to fix should be written down but the structure of the app should not be what is being discussed at 1am