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Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by phyzome »

newsclues wrote: post #41
BlackLotus89 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is yewtu.be a stupid domainname? It's an "alternative" spelling of youtu.be that's easy to memorize and fast to type. I use a plugin to redirect to newpipe instances, but if I hadn't one I would probably use yewtu.be because it would suck to always type something like piped.kavin.rocks or invidious.pussthecat.org

I think that is a comment about alt right commentators online. YewTube sounds like an anti Semitic joke.

That seems like overactive pattern-matching to me. Yew is a plant.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by betaby »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #64
sdze wrote: post #11

Why would anybody in the right mind centralize his/her infrastructure? I doubt that people actually need something like Cloudflare.

I couldn't run search.marginalia.nu without it. I've seen up to 50,000 bot queries per hour (and peak out at about 500 human queries per hour). I don't have the hardware to cater to the bots. I also don't have the money to buy the hardware to eat the cost. The options are hide behind cloudflare or shut down the service. It's not about traffic costs, but processing power.

Can you please explain what exactly bot were doing? What was their goal? Yes, I've seen bot scraping sites, which is expected. But what queries bots were doing towards niche search engine?

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by BeefWellington »

CHY872 wrote: post #77
iquerno wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never really understood Cloudflare's intent, because from the marketing material it seems that you get DDOS "protection", free TLS certs, everything in a monthly package, affordable, bla bla bla. But from some basic calculations I get that R2, Workers and egress bandwidth beyond a few terabytes costs just as much as Oracle cloud / Alibaba. But what I dislike the most is how little control you have over what's going…

I think the ability to put TLS in front of a non-TLS'd website comes of a few properties: 1. It's probably better than nothing. 2. It's a legacy thing. A company like Cloudflare has to make a choice - how frequently do we break users who've set up their site in a way that is no longer in line with security best practices? It looks like the decision they've made is to break infrequently. Certainly the site I set up in…

    I think even now you can find Linux distros preferring to ship their data over HTTP with GPG-keys recommended for the security.
This isn't really to solve the same problem though. The GPG key thing is so you can use mirrors for hosting that are distributed but still trust the package came from the real source. TLS termination of where the packages are retrieved is separate.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by marcellus23 »

waboremo wrote: post #79
quanticle wrote: post #75

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>The big unanswered question is how they'll manage to stay good given the obvious incentive of abusing this setup. Why do you think they're still "good"? CloudFlare has chosen to abandon sites that held free speech (abhorrent speech, but still free speech) while still protecting forums upon which credit cards and methamphetamine were listed for sale on the front page. To me, that's not a sign of a "good" actor.

Free speech doesn't exist within the context of a privately held website.

Free speech is an ideal, not just an amendment.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by AtNightWeCode »

ricardo81 wrote: post #69
AtNightWeCode wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't run around and crawl other peoples sites. That time is long gone.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic! In the end for any scraping they're just raising the barrier of entry. Automated browsers, residential proxies, captcha services just make it more involved for those determined to hit a URL successfully. Not necessarily a bad thing, but the line and grey area and the definition of a 'legitimate' request varies, and one entity as a middle-man deciding that is less than ideal.

Not sure where you coming from but let us go back 10-15 years when there was an open market for commercial crawlers and IP ranges to be used for it. You sold shoes and scraped all other competitors for instance. That era is over.

For legitimate interests today including search engines and services for price comparison that data is often provided for free.

There are design patterns used today that does among other things provide incorrect prices to scrapers.

Scraping is illegal in most western countries btw.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by riffraff »

marcellus23 wrote: post #84
waboremo wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free speech doesn't exist within the context of a privately held website.

Free speech is an ideal, not just an amendment.

but a private entity (person or corp) does not have any obligation to protect ideas they find abhorrent to be considered on the side of "good".

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by bunbun69 »

sdze wrote: post #11

Why would anybody in the right mind centralize his/her infrastructure? I doubt that people actually need something like Cloudflare.

Made an account to say “their”. We are talking about cloudflare and cloudflare users. Their gender is not relevant in this conversation. At the end of the day we are people.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by rurtrack »

hakre wrote: post #45
rurtrack wrote: post #37

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We got 10k visits in a single day. Cost of data transfer: zero

Really zero, like non of the visitors was hitting the original servers? That would be impressive then. And you should consider to make money with delegating the traffic, not give away the traffic for free.

I mean, I did not went into the rabbit hole of checking thoroughly, but in cloudflare it says we served 8gb and aws says we served just a few megabytes.

You configure to ignore everything, even the url querystring, and worst case scenario, they serve your site from an internet archive snapshot. You can literally power off your server and the page stays online

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by iceburgcrm »

riffraff wrote: post #86
marcellus23 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free speech is an ideal, not just an amendment.

but a private entity (person or corp) does not have any obligation to protect ideas they find abhorrent to be considered on the side of "good".

That's the point. They find free speech abhorrent but consider selling dangerous drugs to be acceptable.

So many people find them abhorrent because they represent different values.

Legally no one has any obligations here.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by kevincox »

bArray wrote: post #58

I also get CloudFlare now blocking my access to RSS feed MP3s for some podcasts. Once the almighty CloudFlare deems you a threat, your IP is burned. These days I can use less and less of the internet. I really want to just see us get to the point where we don't have to rely on such services. I refuse to use them or any other for services I run, DDoS be damned.

Cloudflare's default settings are very hostile to RSS feeds in general. They block these as part of bot blocking. Which of course is silly because these are intended to be accessed by bots. Even Cloudflare's blog RSS feed is affected by this.
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