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Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing

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Re: Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing

#81

It's just how it works unfortunately. Imagine if the whole world should justifiably call for arresting three decades of US presidents and generals over all the murders and deaths in the middle east, how would that work? Would you agree to it?

Well the world did not mind going after Milosevich for example.

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post #5

The same happened to Modi, the PM of India, if my memory serves me right. He was banned from entering USA for his deeds, until he turned out to be the head of India. Apparently your only way out is to be the head of your state, if you have done something evil.

Their only moral is power.

Re: Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing

#83
post #5

The same happened to Modi, the PM of India, if my memory serves me right. He was banned from entering USA for his deeds, until he turned out to be the head of India. Apparently your only way out is to be the head of your state, if you have done something evil.

Let me clarify some points at the risk of sounding like a Modi supporter. Modi had gone though investigations and was acquitted by the Supreme court of India. It was definitely failure of government mechanism and officials but not state sponsored voilence. " The Supreme Court on Friday dismissed allegations of "larger conspiracy" levelled by Zakia Jafri, widow of Congress leader Ehsan Jafri who was killed in the 2002…

> It was definitely failure of government mechanism and officials but not state sponsored voilence.

No, it was state sponsored violence, instigated by Narendra Modi alone. Judgements by a compromised court hold no water.

Here are the details of the pogrom of Zakias condo complex

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulbarg_Society_massacre

Even worse the testimony of police officers who have now been imprisoned

https://www.hindusforhumanrights.org/en/blog/for-immediate-r...

Even worse there is direct video confession by the rapists and murderers (who were convicted later) of Modi starting the riots and supporting them with state apparatus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babu_Bajrangi

The video where Modis leadership is made explicit at 6:30

https://youtu.be/mfnTl_Fwvbo

To double down, this year Modis central government set several rapists and murderers who had been given life sentences free on Indian Independence Day and issued election tickets to the relatives of the convicted rapists and murderers.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/17/asia/india-bilkis-bano-rape-g...

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/politics-behind...

Your linking to a report on the supreme court judgement in a "left leaning" newspaper as some kind of evidence is absurd. It's a report about the judgment not an editorial.

https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/editorial/an-exoneration/ar...

It doesn't get more naked and bald faced than this

Re: Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing

#84

This is disturbing. Outside of this, I actually deleted the Twitter App from my phone a few weeks ago when I found out they still own a huge part of Twitter. https://twitter.com/alwaleed_talal/status/158597522656711065...

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Where does the tone of this 'response' come from?

It isn't easy to communicate sneering condescension in flat ascii text but you did manage to do that here.

Re: Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me clarify some points at the risk of sounding like a Modi supporter. Modi had gone though investigations and was acquitted by the Supreme court of India. It was definitely failure of government mechanism and officials but not state sponsored voilence. " The Supreme Court on Friday dismissed allegations of "larger conspiracy" levelled by Zakia Jafri, widow of Congress leader Ehsan Jafri who was killed in the 2002…

How is investigation of Modi by "Supreme court of India" an independent investigation? It is the classic case of "we looked into our wrong doing and found nothing"

analogously, would you also agree with the following statement?

“How is the investigation of US president trump by the US congress an independent investigation…?”

Re: Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing

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post #2

We want to be green so we're trying to stop drilling for oil. But we also need oil because our society runs on it. This guy has oil. This guy can therefore do whatever he likes. This is obviously way better than drilling at home.

Have we no drones to eliminate troublesome Saudis?

Reality is that we have lots of tools to address bad actors. There are always consequences, true enough. But it isn't like we haven't used them.

In this case, we probably won't, but the Saudis are increasingly more trouble than they are worth.

Re: Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing

#89

Misleading headline by the BBC, as is tradition. He wasn't given anything, it's simply the status quo - whether we like it our not. It's also not a US thing but an international convention: https://www.justsecurity.org/68801/head-of-state-immunity-is...

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In case this is serious, we didn’t sue Hussain or Gadaffi out of office.

Re: Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing

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We want to be green so we're trying to stop drilling for oil. But we also need oil because our society runs on it. This guy has oil. This guy can therefore do whatever he likes. This is obviously way better than drilling at home.

Literally just repeating oil industry talking points.

The US produces a ton of oil, we also have no export restrictions on oil products, so no matter how much we produce domestically, we are still dependent on the swings of the global market.

We get close to no oil from Saudi, yet as the head of the most powerful cartel in the world, they have immense power and influence. No amount of “drill baby drill” is going to change that.

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