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Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by adastra22 »

samwillis wrote: post #31
LanceJones wrote: post #9

With Twitter usage apparently climbing, why is this important? Is the general assumption that Musk is ruining or wrecking Twitter accurate?

I don't believe it's climbing in the real sense. I think people like watching disasters unfold, they are taking to their Twitter feed to see news of its fast moving downfall. Refreshing to see what the next ridiculous move is, and getting that dopamine hit when it happens. It's not sustainable growth.

Also people logging in to export their history count as DAU.

Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by mirzap »

dickfickling wrote: post #68
mirzap wrote: post #22

How people don't get it - you can't succeed as an alternative to something. You need to build your own thing, find your product market fit with unique proposition. In 5y nobody will know about any of twitter alternatives that are launching these days. IMO even twitter didn't find its product market fit, that's why Musk is breaking it. The more people talk about twitter (in any way) and more people go with "alternativ…

Reddit comes to mind as an alternative (to Digg) that succeeded (by at least some definitions of the word). A massive amount of Reddit's early user growth came from a poorly-received redesign to Digg's home page. There are a lot of parallels to draw to the changes Musk has in mind for Twitter.

Difference here is that we don't see people leaving at massive scale. Maybe it's to early. Anyway, I think chances are 50-50 twitter succeeds in re-launch. I wouldn't be surprised of any outcome. But I would be surprised to see something else explodes in popularity just because it's twitter alternative.

Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by KVFinn »

thal3s wrote: post #6

We've already got a replacement that's owned and administered by users, with no ads, that can't be bought and ruined by billionaires: Mastodon. The ex-twitter employees are already running their own server: macaw.social

Well any particular Mastodon server can end up ruined or with ads. Or shutdown.

Reminds me of the early days of email when people used their local ISP hosts for their personal email addresses. So every time you moved or whatever your email address changed.

Mastodon at least opens up space for experiments. Lots of interesting possibilities.

Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by ceres »

crsv wrote: post #44
thal3s wrote: post #6

We've already got a replacement that's owned and administered by users, with no ads, that can't be bought and ruined by billionaires: Mastodon. The ex-twitter employees are already running their own server: macaw.social

The quicker the technorati accept that Mastadon will never have mass adoption even remotely close to Twitter, the better. Glad Mastadon is doing its thing being like the IRC of twitter or whatever, but there's absolutely no way it ever truly competes. It should just be happy being a niche product for a niche audience.

I’m willing to bet a pretty penny that the next big social media will be built on the fediverse.

> Glad Mastadon is doing its thing being like the IRC of twitter or whatever, but there's absolutely no way it ever truly competes

A good thing about open source software is that any kinks can be fleshed out over time through contributions and forks.

Think about how many non-technical people run WordPress blogs on the internet.

Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by pnemonic »

crsv wrote: post #44
thal3s wrote: post #6

We've already got a replacement that's owned and administered by users, with no ads, that can't be bought and ruined by billionaires: Mastodon. The ex-twitter employees are already running their own server: macaw.social

The quicker the technorati accept that Mastadon will never have mass adoption even remotely close to Twitter, the better. Glad Mastadon is doing its thing being like the IRC of twitter or whatever, but there's absolutely no way it ever truly competes. It should just be happy being a niche product for a niche audience.

Do you have any actual facts to back this up? I would be interested to know why you are so sure of this.

Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by risyachka »

ceres wrote: post #18

I’m fed up with “platforms”. Growing a garden on someone else’s land is dumb and I think more people are starting to get it. Why feed someone’s enterprise for free who will then turn it into a powerful walled garden, make billions in profit while eventually dictating what you can and can’t do on said platform. To top it off, there’s very little upside to you as a user. Your own data is used against you. At this point…

>> Why feed someone’s enterprise for free who will then turn it into a powerful walled garden, make billions in profit while eventually dictating what you can and can’t do on said platform.

Come on, you are getting A LOT from all those platforms. You feed someone else's enterprise just as much as it feeds you. Those who have even small audiences get a lot of value, not sure why you are trying to picture it as one way street.

Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by barbazoo »

ceres wrote: post #18

I’m fed up with “platforms”. Growing a garden on someone else’s land is dumb and I think more people are starting to get it. Why feed someone’s enterprise for free who will then turn it into a powerful walled garden, make billions in profit while eventually dictating what you can and can’t do on said platform. To top it off, there’s very little upside to you as a user. Your own data is used against you. At this point…

People will, for the time being at least, want what these platforms give them, which is the illusion of reach and a constant feed of stimulation. I feel like I don't get the from, say, Mastodon and I think personally think that's ok.

Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by bergenty »

thal3s wrote: post #6

We've already got a replacement that's owned and administered by users, with no ads, that can't be bought and ruined by billionaires: Mastodon. The ex-twitter employees are already running their own server: macaw.social

It’s sounds like everyone has to join specific servers or something. That will never work, it’s too complicated. You need one server that everyone is on.

Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by NoGravitas »

crsv wrote: post #44
thal3s wrote: post #6

We've already got a replacement that's owned and administered by users, with no ads, that can't be bought and ruined by billionaires: Mastodon. The ex-twitter employees are already running their own server: macaw.social

The quicker the technorati accept that Mastadon will never have mass adoption even remotely close to Twitter, the better. Glad Mastadon is doing its thing being like the IRC of twitter or whatever, but there's absolutely no way it ever truly competes. It should just be happy being a niche product for a niche audience.

In the past two weeks, the Mastodon-compatible parts of the Fediverse have gone from 600K active users to 7M active users. George Takei and Elvira are on Mastodon. We'll see how things develop, but this doesn't feel niche anymore.
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