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CPSC calls for full recall of all Onewheel self-balancing electric skateboards

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Re: CPSC calls for full recall of all Onewheel self-balancing electric skateboards

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My inner twenty-something and my not-twenty-something body will benefit from a report like this. I'm still reasonably athletic and those things look dang cool, but the pause a report like this gives is healthy.

I also agree with other comments related to motorized bicycles. I wear motorcycle gear even when riding locally and under 40 mph. Electric bikers can benefit from "gearing up".

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#82

Reading this warning, I don't understand why now? Is there a bug with onewheels that are causing this injury/death? Or is it just rider error doing a dangerous activity? Is the CPSC going to start warning against purchasing Rossignol skis or Santa Cruz mountain bikes because their respective activities are dangerous? Participation in action sports and high-speed transportation will result in a higher expected mortali…

When the GT was released, there was a problem with "ghosting", which meant the board would keep moving after the rider had gotten off the board. This was traced to a faulty sensor in the foot pad, for which Future Motion eventually did issue a recall and will replace that gen foot pad at no add'l cost.

It affected a minority of the boards, and the biggest concern was the board crashing into a pedestrian's ankle or smashing into traffic or parked cars. It was certainly a concern, but in no way something that could reasonably be expected to cause death or injury to the rider.

That recall from FM of the footpad was done this summer.

There is no open issue that I'm aware of with the board.

Using them is inherently risky though, like downhill biking or snowboarding.

Re: CPSC calls for full recall of all Onewheel self-balancing electric skateboards

#83

I can not believe it took this long. After trying one for a bit I always wanted to get one, but never felt fully safe riding it. I even asked them repeatedly if they ever had a plan to introduce a board with some kind of additional set of wheels or bearings on the ends to let you "roll out" in the event of a power failure. The issues has always been that, in the event of a loss of power for any reason, because you ar…

Onewheel started with a 2014 Kickstarter with 400 units that had 5 miles of range and a 13 mph top speed. The 2017 XR and 2020 and later GT and Pint versions that can go 20+ miles at 20+ miles per hour are incredibly new as far as transportation tech goes.

2021, when the most recent death was reported, was literally just last year. That's light speed for a bureacracy.

Technology is far faster than regulation - this is true with respect to Uber, Twitter, Onewheel, AirBNB, and a dozen other new tech companies.

Re: CPSC calls for full recall of all Onewheel self-balancing electric skateboards

#84

I strongly disagree with this recall. I own a Onewheel (XR) and have ridden nearly ~1,000 miles on it in a variety of conditions. I've only had one incident and it was entirely my fault (riding at night without proper lights and hit a pothole). The Onewheel definitely has a learning curve. Like most things in life if you are patient in learning it and respect the limits it is entirely safe. I think the safeguards One…

Have you ever had the power fail?

I assume you mean the board fully power off while riding?

If yes, then no.

It is possible to overload the motor by going over the maximum speed or going uphill by at too high of a speed but in that case the board will not actually power off.

The only way the board may turn off is if is fully charged and you immediately ride it downhill (regenerative breaking). To protect the battery from overcharging the board it will turn off in that case but the app will warn you before that happens and for newer boards they have implemented the ability to charge to less than 100% if that is how you start your route.

Re: CPSC calls for full recall of all Onewheel self-balancing electric skateboards

#86
I never realized how fast 25mph was until I fell off my two wheeled electric scooter going that speed and was slowed down by a bus-head impact after I braked a bit. Luckily I was wearing a helmet and long pants, but I still broke my back in several places. A cop that saw me whiff it said I was probably only going 10 by the time I hit the bus.

I believe all of these electric whatever should be lawfully mandated to go below at least 15mph if not lower. I don’t believe that people are able to grasp just how unsafe those speeds are.

Re: CPSC calls for full recall of all Onewheel self-balancing electric skateboards

#87

Reading this warning, I don't understand why now? Is there a bug with onewheels that are causing this injury/death? Or is it just rider error doing a dangerous activity? Is the CPSC going to start warning against purchasing Rossignol skis or Santa Cruz mountain bikes because their respective activities are dangerous? Participation in action sports and high-speed transportation will result in a higher expected mortali…

I can only imagine it's about the feature where it "warns" you when you are leaning too far, which you can choose to ignore. I'm assuming most injuries are from people pushing the angle way too hard

Re: CPSC calls for full recall of all Onewheel self-balancing electric skateboards

#88
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4 deaths in all those years? Much safer than most forms of transport then? Of course I didn’t do the math but it seems like very little, perhaps there also aren’t that many out there?

"four reported deaths between ... after the product failed to balance the rider or suddenly stopped while in motion" These are deaths specifically from the scooter suddenly stopping mid-ride and throwing the rider off. It's not including deaths like getting hit by a car. This is the product spontaniously killing people!

Yes, but it is unclear that there was a product failure involved in any of those cases. If the electronics failed that’s one thing. If the battery died because the user ignored it repeatedly haptically nagging them that the battery would die soon, that’s another very different thing.

Re: CPSC calls for full recall of all Onewheel self-balancing electric skateboards

#89
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very true. If you've never been able to cruise on a skateboard, you might not realize how much damage an unexpected pebble or sidewalk crack will do. Riding is a constant balance of scanning the pavement for inconsistencies and making corrections to mitigate them. I don't know if that's even possible at 20+ mph.

Your latter point is why I'm not really sold on electric longboards. Your control authority on a longboard is pretty low, and you need a lot of control authority to react to surprise obstacles/maintain stability after encountering one. Sure, DH longboarders exceed 25mph regularly, but they ride in semi-controlled environments (scout the descent for gravel etc before hitting it) and are exceptionally skilled. Putting…

The danger is in the perception. It took me about 10 hours of dedicated practice (over a few weeks) before I felt comfortable using a longboard as a transportation device off of public roads - eg: on a closed campus. When I have seen people pickup an electric longboard they feel safe in a half hour, but obviously don't have any reflexes to back that up.

Re: CPSC calls for full recall of all Onewheel self-balancing electric skateboards

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post #50

4 deaths in all those years? Much safer than most forms of transport then? Of course I didn’t do the math but it seems like very little, perhaps there also aren’t that many out there?

4 deaths might be quite a lot for such a relatively low volume product.

By comparison, some car models have recently had their death rates drop to zero after nobody died in them over similar periods of time. And these figures are mostly user error. Deaths due to product failures of automobiles are usually pretty notable and are acted upon by regulators.

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