Not unsurprising. At work (Germany) we are forbidden to use any US cloud services, i wonder why this hasn't been the new normal yet.
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Shopify Is Illegal in Germany
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#82While reading this story, the TV running in the background was showing an ad from shopify (german TV channel).
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
The CLOUD Act gives US law enforcement access to the data, even if it's only stored in Europe. That's the problem, and the EU court is doing no more than recognizing that for the problem that it is.
I think it's good that the EU is forcing the US to get their privacy laws in order.
Tell that to the owner of the business.
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#84The EU is try to copying China's playbook of propping up local service providers by imposing impossible-to-follow rules on foreign tech companies. In both cases, the rest of the world should retaliate by limiting access to advanced technology until laws change.
I can’t see EU’s balkanization in positive light either. Seems good ol protectionism instead of actually innovating. Privacy is a trope, they give away data at US’s whim.
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
The CLOUD Act gives US law enforcement access to the data, even if it's only stored in Europe. That's the problem, and the EU court is doing no more than recognizing that for the problem that it is.
I think it's good that the EU is forcing the US to get their privacy laws in order.
Forcing? More like strongly suggesting, but that feels too strong as well. "Hey Yanks! Would you mind getting your shite together? K? Thanks!" Which the US is quite like Fark Off, we do what we want! You're not the king of me!
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#86Mini Ask HN: How would a small company, say a code forge, that is based in the US ensure that it is operating such that it is legal to have EU customers? All operations will be in the US (interaction only through a website). The forge will be designed to allow all of a user's data to be downloaded by that user (easy access to all data). It will also allow wiping away any reference to a user in commits (right to be fo…
To add, would EU privacy requirements apply even if you're just running some Gitlab or even Mastodon instance? Maybe running it as an individual vs llc changes things?
GDPR applies to everyone, including individuals.
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#87Sorry for the German only link, but this is from today and didn't make the rounds yet. It is not really about Shopify itself, but about the use of CDNs - which would be even more worrisome. Shopify Support couldn't help the shop owner.
Safari’s built in translation is surprisingly good. It didn’t even read like a machine translation.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're just incorrect here. Part of the GDPR does good things against bad actors like ad/tracking companies. But most of these companies are so big that it just works as a moat to keep out small competitors in that space. The more widely-affecting thing that the GDPR is doing is to make it impossible to legitimately run a business like the one that the article is talking about. An online shop that uses shopify which…
> You're just incorrect here. I was expecting you to show where I'm incorrect. And yet, it's the same emotionally-charged "omg moat, large companies, impossible to run a business". Which doesn't disprove what I say, but further supports my case: the bullshit narrative around GDPR persists even if it has literally no basis in reality. > A small online shop using a CDN is who is actually hurt with GDPR. Most CDNs have…
Oddly this argument feels familiar - like we've sparred in the past over GDPR on another hacker news article.
I won't continue this as it seems like it's more a flame war where no side can convince the other.
I'll say this, though: please imagine who I am who feels so passionately about this. Likely, I am a small business that has been affected personally by the GDPR though I am not in advertising or tracking. Maybe I'm just a small business owner trying to navigate the uncertain waters created by these rules. That's what brings out the passion.
I imagine you are someone who is passionate about privacy and against adtech. As am I. We're probably ideologically similar. So please try to square why someone who is ideologically similar has such a strange idea. It might be that I am misinformed but it might be that you don't have the same experience as me.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
GDPR core is pretty simple: You cannot do stuff (process, store, transfer to third parties) with PII unless X condition is met. An internet site, on first visit (being genuine first visit or just cookieless visit) cannot do things with PII, because there is just no way to even tell if X is met, therefore not only data storage (IP address in Apache access logs included) is illegal, but moreso transfer to third party v…
> GDPR is ugly. The only thing it allows you to do before you get confirmation to process PII is to show static page requesting for permissions. That's basically it. You can't do any "cloudy" stuff prior. No, GDPR is not ugly. Yes, you can do "cloudy stuff". The bullshit narratives around GDPR need to stop, however people driving the narrative are extremely incentivized to siphon and sell all the data they can get yo…
It’s a 99 section 11 chapter monstrosity. It is ugly.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t think you’re right about that? What I got from the article is that customer data is processed and stored in the EU, it doesn’t go through America. However, static assets are downloaded from CDNs operated by American companies (CloudFlare/Amazon/Fastly). > The data protection authority justified this with the fact that US authorities could access personal data (probably primarily the IP address) for criminal p…
> I don’t think you’re right about that? What I got from the article is that customer data is processed and stored in the EU, it doesn’t go through America. However, static assets are downloaded from CDNs operated by American companies (CloudFlare/Amazon/Fastly). From what I can tell, Shopify itself uses Cloudflare, so your domain that is connected to Shopify is passing all the traffic through Cloudflare, e.g. one of…
The article quotes Shopify explicitly saying otherwise.