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Re: I plan to leave tech to pursue art

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Post by stevage »

LiamHz wrote: post #29

Hi! I'm the author of this post -- it was an unlisted draft that I shared with a few friends, was planning to rewrite most of this before publishing. Please forgive the rough edges Main changes I'd make to this article - Agreed with others that I might be naive, but I'm 20 y/o and now's the right time to shoot for my dreams rather than settle - I'm applying to animation school soon (Sheridan). I started coding when I…

>I don't believe you can make a successful career change without going all-in

Meh. I've transitioned between several pretty different careers without ever going all-in on anything. But you do you.

Re: I plan to leave tech to pursue art

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Post by aszantu »

LiamHz wrote: post #29

Hi! I'm the author of this post -- it was an unlisted draft that I shared with a few friends, was planning to rewrite most of this before publishing. Please forgive the rough edges Main changes I'd make to this article - Agreed with others that I might be naive, but I'm 20 y/o and now's the right time to shoot for my dreams rather than settle - I'm applying to animation school soon (Sheridan). I started coding when I…

I did art before making the switch to IT, I want to wish you all the luck and success with it! Got my stuff on deviantart.com/aszantu I wasn't skilled enough to make it a product and I resent marketing and social media a lot, so I made the switch eventually. Wish you all the luck!

Re: I plan to leave tech to pursue art

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Post by tjr225 »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #72
tjr225 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that by the time you are retired you are most likely so unplugged from the cultural zeitgeist that fuels art that you can’t possibly be good at it. You can’t possibly create anything meaningful that would speak to people who really consume art, because those people are young. They’re a few examples of outsiders who buck this trend but it’s a little presumptuous to think you’re as good as them. So now y…

"Presumptuous" is (nevermind the unfairness) far less concerning compared to the arrogance that speaking on behalf of the entire art world and/or zeitgeist entails.

I try not to be presumptuous- as I honestly have no idea what art is because I’m too old to keep up- so maybe you can give me some examples that buck the trend? If not I’ll just assume you’re offended because you’re old. And honestly, if you think art is as easy as retiring and doing it; you deserve to be assumed to be presumptuous. You have a lot to prove and nothing to lose. Suck it up. Prove yourself or deal with mediocrity. Or worse, you’re just pretending.

Re: I plan to leave tech to pursue art

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Post by tjr225 »

freetime2 wrote: post #62
tjr225 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that by the time you are retired you are most likely so unplugged from the cultural zeitgeist that fuels art that you can’t possibly be good at it. You can’t possibly create anything meaningful that would speak to people who really consume art, because those people are young. They’re a few examples of outsiders who buck this trend but it’s a little presumptuous to think you’re as good as them. So now y…

I think this is a very narrow view of what art is, who can partake, and what it means to be good at it.

I don’t care.

Re: I plan to leave tech to pursue art

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Post by tjr225 »

nl wrote: post #80
tjr225 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that by the time you are retired you are most likely so unplugged from the cultural zeitgeist that fuels art that you can’t possibly be good at it. You can’t possibly create anything meaningful that would speak to people who really consume art, because those people are young. They’re a few examples of outsiders who buck this trend but it’s a little presumptuous to think you’re as good as them. So now y…

> You can’t possibly create anything meaningful that would speak to people who really consume art, because those people are young. This seems an unusual statement. I consume a lot more art in my 40s than I did in my 20s for example. As a counter-example, Stan Lee only began drawing superheros when he was 43. Hard to argue his work isn't consumed by young people. And of course Paul Cézanne only got his first exhibitio…

That is very cool about Cezanne, but I suspect he is one of the outsiders I am referring to.

Re: I plan to leave tech to pursue art

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Post by atoav »

tjr225 wrote: post #52
JKCalhoun wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I stood at a fork in the road, so to speak, when I was kicked out of the house and had to decide whether to pursue art or tech (I enjoyed both). It was clear to me tech would pay the bills — the art I could do in my spare time. Retired (am I?) now, I can do all the art I want.

The problem is that by the time you are retired you are most likely so unplugged from the cultural zeitgeist that fuels art that you can’t possibly be good at it. You can’t possibly create anything meaningful that would speak to people who really consume art, because those people are young. They’re a few examples of outsiders who buck this trend but it’s a little presumptuous to think you’re as good as them. So now y…

I am a MA of art and an avid consumer of it. I work at an art school.

What you say can happen, but it must not happen. I have seen 70 year old artists doing more modern and interesting works than graduates. And this is not rare, which you would definitly agree to if you are an avid visitor of art exhibitions.

Also modern or high art is something different to animation which our poster here wants to go for. I don't see why age would matter there — and even if it would OP is 20. We have many people who start to study art at that age. The average age might be 19 to 20.

It is true, that not everybody is made to transition into art, especially if they did not do any art their whole life, but that has nothing to do with the Zeitgeist and everything to do with the time it takes to develope the eyes needed to see what needs to be seen.

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Post by Herbstluft »

kyleyeats wrote: post #34

Take a few hours to mess around with Stable Diffusion before you do this. It is a really bad time to become a concept artist.

I believe the rise of AI art has shown, more than anything, that many of us here in our tech bubble have no idea what professional artists actually do.

I don't doubt that ai art will have a significant impact but come on....the job involves way more. And ai is not as close to this job as the ads suggest. You only have to take a minute to learn about the average workday of a professional artist.

Surely the industry will find more ways to make the life of artists more miserable with this.

Re: I plan to leave tech to pursue art

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Post by EdwardDiego »

tjr225 wrote: post #83
EdwardDiego wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Presumptuous" is (nevermind the unfairness) far less concerning compared to the arrogance that speaking on behalf of the entire art world and/or zeitgeist entails.

I try not to be presumptuous- as I honestly have no idea what art is because I’m too old to keep up- so maybe you can give me some examples that buck the trend? If not I’ll just assume you’re offended because you’re old. And honestly, if you think art is as easy as retiring and doing it; you deserve to be assumed to be presumptuous. You have a lot to prove and nothing to lose. Suck it up. Prove yourself or deal with…

So if you have no idea what art is because you're too old, why do you presume you can gate-keep art for others?

> I’ll just assume you’re offended because you’re old.

I very strongly suspect I'm younger than you. And I've no personal interest in artistic pursuits, to be explicit.

The only reason I took offence was that you were, in short, acting offensively. Even shorter - you were an asshole.

In the longer - you were telling people who wanted to pursue art that they were presumptuous for daring to do so because they weren't the right age in your opinion. That far exceeds presumption and veers directly into arrogance, as I mentioned earlier.

> Prove yourself or deal with mediocrity

We are nearly all, in the scheme of things, mediocre. That's just how normal distributions work.

But, you don't have to shit in someone else's Weetbix just because you're feeling your age and Scrooge's "Bah humbug" makes more sense than ever.

Just stick to yelling at those damn kids to get off your damn lawn.

Re: I plan to leave tech to pursue art

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Post by badpun »

tjr225 wrote: post #52
JKCalhoun wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I stood at a fork in the road, so to speak, when I was kicked out of the house and had to decide whether to pursue art or tech (I enjoyed both). It was clear to me tech would pay the bills — the art I could do in my spare time. Retired (am I?) now, I can do all the art I want.

The problem is that by the time you are retired you are most likely so unplugged from the cultural zeitgeist that fuels art that you can’t possibly be good at it. You can’t possibly create anything meaningful that would speak to people who really consume art, because those people are young. They’re a few examples of outsiders who buck this trend but it’s a little presumptuous to think you’re as good as them. So now y…

What you describe is not art, it's derivative commercial products that use "art" skills. True artist almost by definition does not care about audience, or tries to predict what they will like.
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