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Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Post by pfraze »

INTPenis wrote: post #27
geoah wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is the scuttlebutt protocol to anyone wondering. Bluesky is not related to secure scuttlebutt, they are working on a new protocol currently called "AT Protocol". https://atproto.com ATP is mainly federated so a bit closer to mastodon/matrix than SSB which is quite a bit more decentralized iirc. Do check out their docs, it's a work in progress but should give you a better insight to what they're doing.

I stand corrected. I thought I read at some point that bluesky was SSB.

I’m working on bluesky and previously worked on SSB, that might be what you read

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Post by Jaepa »

frizlab wrote: post #59
zajio1am wrote: post #40

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Like no regular people use e-mail nor phones/SMS.

Indeed less and less people are using those. And when they do use email, they are using its centralized version, gmail.

You could make an arguement of gmail centralizing control in email, but I don't think thats what you are doing.

Mastodon is part of a federated network. Most people who use Mastodon belong to a large server rather than hosting your own, but you can be part of that network without being part of mastodon.xyz. You can join mastodon.social, or any number of those mastodon servers, or host your own. The same is currently true for email.

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Post by wrycoder »

systemvoltage wrote: post #48
trident5000 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does this feel so forced and astroturfed on this site and yet has essentially no traction

Musk's idea is to piss off 10% of the left and right of the spectrum and keep the middle 80% happy. The left 10% will hang out on Mastodon or Fediverse, the right 10% will go on Gab or whatever. I think what's happenning is great for all. You do you™.

Gab is a Mastodon fork that's basically locked out of the Mastodon Fediverse by the moderators. There's no reason why Mastodon qua infrastructure should be identified with the "right".

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Post by pfraze »

faizshah wrote: post #75

I was looking at the code this past week and they are only using simple password auth: https://atproto.com/guides/applications#signing-in I was hoping since identity is such a corner stone of this project that there would be a more fleshed out auth system (OIDC?). Other than that it seems like a reasonable implementation, but I don’t like the addressing scheme. They are using identifiers that look like emails: bluesk…

We don’t use email-style IDs; we use domain names (@alice.com) which will often be subdomains (@alice.host.com).

The auth schemes will evolve. That technique is meant for your main app.

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Post by pixl97 »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #67
pixl97 wrote: post #66

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Reliable servers ain't free, at least that's what I think one of the larger issues is.

No centralization, no server.

"This, and other things CEOs say while smoking crack."

Computer code still runs on CPUs and not the aether. If its accepting connections from other computers it is the server in the client/server model. If it's on your desktop, it just typically means it doesn't have ECC memory and a battery backup dropping the reliability even further. Decentralized architectures have all kinds of fun and complicated failure modes, and especially for consumer use, high speed and low latency typically are not their strong points.

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Post by tristan957 »

mdmglr wrote: post #65

Is decentralization the silver bullet that solves the problems of social media? I don't think it is a technology problem.

Decentralization allows for different forms of moderation across instances and allows for instances to monetize how they want, whether that is pay to play, donations, or advertising.

I would argue those are 2 of the most pressing issues social media faces. Maybe others would disagree however.

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Post by pfraze »

yrgulation wrote: post #31

I feel like he should have taken a long holiday. Not being rude or anything, but a new social network needs thorough thinking. For instance everywhere i read about the topic on casual forums, someone mentions myspace. Maybe it is time that such a network is built - fun customisations and neutral content.

Something that isn’t clear to folks is that Jack is on the board and advises us, but Bluesky’s founder and team are pulled from the dweb community.

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Post by Jaepa »

pixl97 wrote: post #78
pedalpete wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they aren't using gmail because it is centralized. The centralization in your example is due to convenience. Unlike social networks where centralization is somewhat core to the system working.

I'd like to somewhat counter this, due to a common complain we see here on HN, and that is running email servers on smaller or self hosted providers is more likely to have delivery problems going to one of the few big providers like gmail that's left. I would also say that phones are a bad example because while the phone companies are decentralized, the call routing systems have written law behind them to ensure ATT…

re. email: That's a fair argument, but as long as gmail is not the only provider, its not really centralized. It can be concentrated in a specific ecosystem, but as long you can migrate to Fastmail, or ProtonMail, or Outlook mail. There is not the same lockin effects that happens with platforms.

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Post by pfraze »

dorkwood wrote: post #21

> closer inspection reveals that the underlying technology will not be purely blockchain-based. “I’m confident in our decision not to put social media content on a blockchain,” tweeted Bluesky CEO Jay Graber. “It’s blockchain independent and optional." What does it mean to be blockchain optional?

We use DIDs for identity but presently no blockchain DID methods. Some people ask us for that, eg did:ethr or did:ion. Unsure it’ll happen (I’m skeptical) but that’s what Jay was talking about.
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