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Vasa's sister ship Äpplet found

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Re: Vasa's sister ship Äpplet found

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If you find this interesting, you might like learning about the Goethenborg, which you can even volunteer and sail on. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff6aQdszTiE

And also right now they need volunteers willing to work on rig and hull maintenance for food and sleeping quarters during its winter stop over in Barcelona.

Re: Vasa's sister ship Äpplet found

#82
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously, why can't the same page just be responsive? Why do we need two different domains even, instead of the server serving a desktop or mobile page? Why does the mobile page not redirect back to desktop? So many odd choices.

The Wikipedia page is just responsive. The Wikipedia Mobile page has a dedicated URL, and it assumes that, if you went to the trouble of requesting it specifically, that's because you specifically wanted it.

But it doesn't, if you go to the desktop site it redirects you to the mobile site. The desktop site isn't responsive, you get the desktop view on the phone, sidebar and all.

Re: Vasa's sister ship Äpplet found

#83
post #7

> The ship's designer was Hein Jakobsson, the same master shipbuilder who completed Vasa. He realized that Vasa had the wrong proportions even before she was launched, which could lead to instability. And indeed, she tipped, foundered and sank on her maiden voyage. > The Apple was therefore built wider than the Vasa, but despite this, the ship was not successful... Being a "master shipbuilder" in those days was appar…

> He realized that Vasa had the wrong proportions even before she was launched

Not only did he realise it, he proved it. Days before launching the ship, he had 30 men run across the deck to demonstrate its stability. The ship listed badly and they stopped the demonstration before the King arrived.

Re: Vasa's sister ship Äpplet found

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post #23
post #9

I must resist asking if it used Java. I would love to see the Vasa but have not made it to Stockholm yet. I did see the Mary Rose in Portsmouth which was incredibly fascinating to see (large portions of the ship remain so you can see the layout). Mary Rose is from the century prior to Vasa and Äpplet.

It probably used Jäva.

Jåva sounds cooler :P

Re: Vasa's sister ship Äpplet found

#85

I'm lowkey waiting to hear about Applet's other sister-ship, JDK ...implausible? Really? Ha! You can't tell me you've never thought about what you'd name things if you were warped into the past and worked as a Swedish shipwright. Like, it's just too tempting to troll 21st-century conspiracists with anachronistic ship names, of course it would be a thing you'd do. Call this the 'anthwarpic principle' (no I don't care)…

In English, "Ä" is an "A" with a diaresis modifier: ¨, and is treated as an A for all purposes. In German, "Ä" is the umlaut of "A", and it's not quite a letter of the German alphabet, but also not quite a regular A. In Swedish, "Ä" is a unique letter of the alphabet which makes the "applet" jokes completely nonsensical. If the ship had been named "Epplet", would you have made an applet joke? You're only making the c…

My fave German/English confusion is still the word 'Mist' -- I'll never get over hearing how Rolls Royce couldn't understand how their luxury car, the Silver Mist, sold so poorly in Germany

Re: Vasa's sister ship Äpplet found

#86

> Today, wrecks must remain on the sea bottom, and there is a new museum that is not based primarily on objects,” "Must remain on the sea bottom"? Why? (Seriously.)

There are two important reasons to not disturb historical wrecks:

* In many cases the Baltic can do a better job of preservation than we can on the surface. It's survived 300 years down there, it's more likely to survive the next 300 if left in the same environment rather than introducing new effects. Put another way, anything that DOESN'T get preserved well in that environment is already gone anyway.

* It keeps the artifacts in their "context" - the place they were originally. You never know what new information may come to light later, and something seemingly insignifigant about the wreck site may prove to be important later. If you remove the wreck from the site, it's much much harder to link back all the artifacts to the place they came from.

Re: Vasa's sister ship Äpplet found

#87
post #65
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Jakobsson widened Vasa somewhat to try to improve it, As I recall, the king ordered him to add more gun decks, and he did as he was told. Disobeying a king went badly in the 17th century...

"Just quickly add this one more feature, you'll have time to refactor after the release"

Ha! :-D Exactly so.
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