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macOS 13 Ventura review

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Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Does anyone else dislike the "phonification" of desktop UIs? Desktop and phone use are very different, with very different screen real estate.

I do too. There are two different mediums to create and consume content (using this word loosely), and turning one into the other is ridiculous.

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I don't have this problem, all my devices have had lightning connectors for years. I don't plan or want to leave the ecosystem and my cables have lasted quite some time. Conversion to USB-C will cause me to throw away all my cables.

USB-C cables are an investment in the future. Apple helped design the USB-C (and associated Thunderbolt spec) and knew that they would inevitably be forced to switch to USB-C. The iPad came first (to make it "Pro"), but the writing has been on the wall since Macbooks started charging over USB-C. There were legitimately no benefits to using Lightning besides the licensing fees that they charged when people made Lightn…

There’s always new cable standards. Even if 100% of Apple’s products that currently use lightning switched to USB-C tomorrow, I expect I’ll still be using lightning cables for the next 5 years just on devices I already own; and further into the future at some point even after everything I have is on USB-C there will be some cable standard to replace that too.

It’s not like lightning is some obscure connection: there’s a good distribution of stuff out there using either Lightning, USB-C or even microUSB and this is still better than the mix of connector types that used to be more prevalent. USB-C is fine, but there’s nothing to evangelize and it’s not going to decrease the amount of cables in use at any given time, nor stave off cable replacements. It might reduce the amount of cables you travel with by 1, maybe.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Of course, because the more older models you support that don't have the hardware needed for your new features, the more programming you have to do to enable/disable those features in different configurations, the more testing, and the more bugs. It becomes impossible to maintain. At some point you have to draw a line and let go, in order to delete the legacy code holding you back. But please don't throw your iPad in…

No you can't use it for video and browsing. You can't play video on it because Youtube/Netflix/Hbo + all other video apps don't work anymore on IOS9. You can't browse the web because certificates don't work anymore in the browser. I don't know why you guys are attacking me for proposing legislation and retiring my old iPad - i'm a techy with a 2014 macbook pro that has really tried finding a usecase for his my old 2.…

Sell it on eBay. The 2nd gen used iPads sell for $20-40 [1], so obviously people are still buying and using them for something. I know some people who use them as wall-mounted always-on live weather/news/commute displays, just pointing to an HTML page.

[1] https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=ipad+2nd+gene...

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

#84
post #26

Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

I explain it simply - they will haste to ger rid of all Intel laptops and don't have to maintain x86 version of macOS. That is them becoming evil.

They did that when they moved to Intel also. They always have a hardware philosophy and push the market towards it. You see this in chips, cables, audio jacks, etc. It's just Apple being Apple.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Anyone else noticed that the Preview app was tinkered with again ? Now it lost the ability to open PostScript files. This feature worked from the very beginning of Mac OSX up till Monterrey. The command line PostScript tools are still present though. Also all Ruby gems with native extensions stopped working for me, even the pre-installed system ones.

Thank heavens someone else noticed that Preview lost its ability to open PostScript. I occasionally use Preview to render manpages as PDF so I can print them out and using the Ventura beta made me think it was just a bug. It's a shame that it is missing in the final release -- I even filed several Feedback reports with basically no response. I am not sure at all what utility there is in removing features from Preview.

My current workaround is to use my 2013 Mac Pro that's stuck on Monterey to do so, but eventually that's going to kick the can...

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

#86

Does anyone else dislike the "phonification" of desktop UIs? Desktop and phone use are very different, with very different screen real estate.

Everyone dislikes it. This is among the reasons why Windows 8 was such a massive failure, it tried to force a UI that kind of makes sense on a small touch screen on PCs where it didn't make any sense.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

#87

>But unlike minimizing or maximizing an app from the Dock, each "stage" can contain multiple app windows from multiple apps; switch from one stage to another, and every window on that stage will pop back up on your screen in exactly the arrangement you were using before. How does this new feature perform with external monitors? One of my gripes with macOS is how awful it's at managing windows. For example except for…

I get the friction, but if it is really causing you all that grief, why not pay for the $15 tool that helps?

Yeah, I get the argument that you shouldn’t have to spend more money to deal with an annoyance and the OS should be better at this… but if you have a solution, is there still a problem? (Or it you don't want to spend $15, was it really a major problem?)

I spent money on a tool that helps manage my menu bar for a similar reason, and it has made it much nicer to use my Mac.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

#88
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Have they separated scroll direction for mouse and trackpad yet? I don't understand how a shared flag like that has not been fixed yet, does nobody at apple use a normal mouse?

It doesn't look like it. There are separate controls on the mouse and trackpad screen, but they're tied to the same value. I would think that would be separate - the keyboard re-mappings are different for each keyboard that you plug in. I use a normal wheely mouse and am fine with "natural" scrolling, but I may just be weird in that respect. (I've had really bad luck with bluetooth mice, so my not so magic mice live…

> There are separate controls on the mouse and trackpad screen, but they're tied to the same value

That's what killed the "Apple's UX is great and it just works" myth for me after i got my first work issued MBP. Not only is a basic feature lacking, there is stupidly confusing configuration for it in two places that makes you think it exists, but it doesn't. Apple's UI/UX/PM people make stupid decisions, same as any other company.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

#89
post #26

Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

I explain it simply - they will haste to ger rid of all Intel laptops and don't have to maintain x86 version of macOS. That is them becoming evil.

Evil is subjective.

1. Apple has been doing this for years and years. At this point, it shouldn't be a surprise.

2. It reduces legacy cruft. The alternative is you get to keep 20-30 year old legacy cruft, as with Windows. I'm not saying what Microsoft does is necessarily bad, just different.

3. The Intel laptops don't stop running[a] -- and if history is any indication, will still receive critical security patches.

4. At least the bonus here is that the lowest end Apple Silicon Mac almost entirely crushes the high end i9 MBP 16" it replaced -- for a fraction of the cost.

a. Unless it gets hit by one of a number of known quality issues (screen, keyboard, battery, etc).

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

#90

Have they separated scroll direction for mouse and trackpad yet? I don't understand how a shared flag like that has not been fixed yet, does nobody at apple use a normal mouse?

This isn’t about normal mouse or not, after all the Magic Mouse IS and scrolls like a normal mouse, just with a touch-surface instead of a wheel. It’s about the fact that in macOS it’s the content that scrolls, not the viewport. By moving your finger up on a touchpad you’re pushing the content up, and the wheel of a non-Apple mouse is a physical proxy of the content. You may not like the decision, but in my opinion i…

> You may not like the decision, but in my opinion it makes a lot of sense, and I set the mouse to work like this even in Linux

It's nice to have the option for that, isn't it? Instead of having two toggles in two separate menus change the same setting who knows why.

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