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Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by rubyist5eva »

whycombagator wrote: post #78
dmitriid wrote: post #63

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> But by far the biggest moat that Jetbrains is going to have to cross to get into VSCode territory is the plugin ecosystem. Personally I work on React projects so my first thought was: "is there a Prettier[1] plugin?". This just reinforces my feeling that a major driver behind VSCode's popularity is that people just don't know better [1] 1. Download WebStorm (or IDEA) and write some React in it. And Typescript. Refa…

Sure but WebStorm is targeted solely/mainly at JavaScript development. What if my employer has N repos and several other languages, and JavaScript is just one of those. VSCode allows me to stay with the same interface across multiple different repos. Yes, if I’m doing Ruby or Java or C# I might choose a _different_ IDE for certain tasks in that language. But with a few plugins you can get a reasonably good generalist…

IntelliJ Ultimate lets you install all of the different language toolkits into one IDE via plugins.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by rubyist5eva »

mariusmg wrote: post #70
dmitriid wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But by far the biggest moat that Jetbrains is going to have to cross to get into VSCode territory is the plugin ecosystem. Personally I work on React projects so my first thought was: "is there a Prettier[1] plugin?". This just reinforces my feeling that a major driver behind VSCode's popularity is that people just don't know better [1] 1. Download WebStorm (or IDEA) and write some React in it. And Typescript. Refa…

>It's leaps and bounds ahead of VSCode It's also paid vs free. For some reason, some people are very reluctant to pay for tools, even though they use them every day in their job.

Easy solution: make your employer pay for it. IntelliJ tools increase my productivity where saved time easily goes into days, it's easily justified from a cost perspective to an employer.

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Post by __warlord__ »

dicknuckle wrote: post #79
__warlord__ wrote: post #73

I installed this 30 min ago. 1. My M1 temp went from 28c to 60c 2. CPU utilization to 103%? 3. It's using 3.29Gb of RAM And it hasn't changed. With a single python project with 3k lines of code. VSCode sits at 280Mb and CPU temp around 28c. Edit: Vim + SpaceVim sitting at 17Mb :)

I probably have that many LoC between all the open files in VScode on an M1 and also love the performance. Only issue I've had so far is the Terraform Language Server running 18 threads at all times and grabbing too much CPU once or twice a month.

Yeah, I had the same issue with the terraform plugins, I honestly had to delete them. So far I haven't found an alternative but honestly I don't write that much terraform anymore.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by frob »

whycombagator wrote: post #78
dmitriid wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But by far the biggest moat that Jetbrains is going to have to cross to get into VSCode territory is the plugin ecosystem. Personally I work on React projects so my first thought was: "is there a Prettier[1] plugin?". This just reinforces my feeling that a major driver behind VSCode's popularity is that people just don't know better [1] 1. Download WebStorm (or IDEA) and write some React in it. And Typescript. Refa…

Sure but WebStorm is targeted solely/mainly at JavaScript development. What if my employer has N repos and several other languages, and JavaScript is just one of those. VSCode allows me to stay with the same interface across multiple different repos. Yes, if I’m doing Ruby or Java or C# I might choose a _different_ IDE for certain tasks in that language. But with a few plugins you can get a reasonably good generalist…

I officially have a copy of pycharm and not webstorm. I use it to maintain both a python repo and a typescript repo. You can install language support for almost every official jetbrains language into basically any jetbrains editor. The only differences I have found are the default plug-ins and the app icon.

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Post by P5fRxh5kUvp2th »

yrgulation wrote: post #58
pjmlp wrote: post #52

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A lot, in many Fortune 500 where software isn't the main product, you get a machine (VM based or real one) customized for your workflows, with the set of software that is white listed for software development in the company. Anything beyond the standard development image requires opening a request to IT and procurement, with the respective OK from management.

Congratulations. You just identified one of the reasons so many dread working at such organisations and why software engineering is becoming assembly line work. Indeed what does an it person know about tooling and why do engineers need to ask for “permission” from managers by opening a “ticket”? Neither an it person nor a manger have a clue about what an engineer needs.

That's the part that cracks me up.

Developers require low-wage workers to prevent developers from doing the wrong thing. It's stupid.

I'm ok with you revoking Bob's admin privileges if Bob keeps installing malware, but don't revoke my ability to install Python because of it.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by HideousKojima »

dmitriid wrote: post #75
mariusmg wrote: post #70

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>It's leaps and bounds ahead of VSCode It's also paid vs free. For some reason, some people are very reluctant to pay for tools, even though they use them every day in their job.

> For some reason, some people are very reluctant to pay for tools, even though they use them every day in their job. This also really baffles me. You can see it a lot in various discussions even here on HN.

Because if your tooling is closed source (and if it's paid it almost certainly is) then your ability to maintain a project is dependent on some corporation's willingness to continue to support the tooling etc.

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Post by amitport »

yrgulation wrote: post #59
pjmlp wrote: post #56

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What monopoly, time to learn law?

The same kind of monopoly microsoft was accused it was when providing free media player and free browser apps. This is just the same type of market abuse except its leveraging people’s free work and not pre installing it inside its own os’. Perhaps you should learn law indeed.

Giving something for free is not monopoly (without preinstallation). You can say other things about this strategy, but you're misusing the word.
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