Live data from Hacker News

Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

nltimes.nl

81–90 of 466 posts

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

#81
post #50
post #36

I love it when US companies meet Dutch labor laws.

Plus cue in the shock of US Employees, when they realize his court costs to sue his employer were less than 500 dollars.

In Norwegian civil court, the loser pays the legal bills for both. It may seem a bit harsh, but it does prevent frivolous law suits.

For work related cases, if you are in a union, they will foot the bill in most cases.

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

#83
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems an appropriate word... "Insubordination is the act of willfully disobeying a lawful order of one's superior." Your boss is your superior, so disobeying what he asks of you is insubordination.

Your boss is just some other person. If he thinks he's superior to anyone else, he can fuck right off. He'll end up as worm food just like the rest of us.

Most certainly but that’s not the point. The point is that companies are structured so that division of labour flows from a core group deciding the strategical priorities towards more specialised groups and ultimately line workers through levels of organisation making tasks more and more specific along the way. As a salaried worker, provided it was in your contract, you can’t entirely refuse to do what’s asked of you by the strata defining your work and expect to keep your position.

Thankfully, in Europe, unions have harshly fought for somewhat fair employment laws and this relationship only applies to actual work and not the whimsies of your boss.

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

#86
post #72

Unfortunately this is well within corporate “go away” money. They’ll gladly dish over 75k to get a threat off their books. It’s the corporate equivalent to stuffing 20 bucks in your pocket in case you’re held up while out on a run and don’t carry your wallet. Add a zero to make it 750k if you want corporations to think about it deeper.

>Less than a week after the plaintiff was fired, the Rijswijk branch of Chetu Inc. was deregistered from the Chamber of Commerce and shut down on 2 September, records show. The branch was first registered in the Netherlands on 1 June 2013 with the capital declared at 10 million euros.

That doesn’t mean they won’t pay him. Only that they don’t plan to hire in the Netherland anymore. It would be pretty stupid to not pay to be honest. It’s not that much money, would mean keeping an open case in the UE and it’s highly likely they would end up paying anyway though one of the collection mechanisms in place for this kind of case.

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

#87
post #63

Some employers want to be able to take random photos to ensure remote workers are working at their computer during business hours.

The employee argued they had access to their computer screen at all time and could fully monitor their laptop which should be enough. The court agreed.

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Austria’s labor protections are fine When they're objectively worse than every other EU country, bordering on competing with the US, I can hardly call them "fine". >If you make rules around dismissals stricter then you greatly harm the ability for a company to hire in the first place. Please stop parroting the propaganda of the conservative party (ÖVP) who are bought and paid for by the business elite and would glad…

There is a lot I want to fix in Austria from bureaucracy to taxation of stock options and more. The employment law is very fine by me. If you think that you will get better wages if it’s harder to dismiss employees I have doubts. The main reason devs don’t earn enough in Austria is that it’s hard and expensive to have a business there and that the country is not appealing for employees. That means that the few good I…

if austria is not appealing for employees, wouldn't that mean that salaries should be higher, to make it more appealing?

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

#89

Can this actually be enforced. It sounds like it’s a Dutch court v US entity where they were a contractor. If the company had a Dutch entity they wouldn’t make such obvious errors in judgement as they’d know the local laws

If you'd read the second sentence of the article, you would have learned that the company has a branch in the Netherlands.

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

#90
post #50
post #36

I love it when US companies meet Dutch labor laws.

Plus cue in the shock of US Employees, when they realize his court costs to sue his employer were less than 500 dollars.

Honestly I'd just have asked my union to deal with it... but that a little more in membership fee, compared to the €585, but it would have gotten me a lawyer who understands labour laws.
Post reply on HN