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Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by ece »

EMIRELADERO wrote: post #55
RajT88 wrote: post #51

Oddly enough, the light that Humble Bundles have shone into gaming revenue cycles has made me question our copyright system as a whole. Stay with me. In Europe during the time of Mozart, composers were incentivized to be prolific by only getting royalties off the first public performance of their works. Now that is not fair today because of course we can losslessy reproduce such things infinitely. However, Humble Bun…

> We don't know the revenue Nintendo derives from virtual console sales, but you can be assured that virtually none of it is making it to the creators which is who copyright is designed to protect. I too have many gripples with copyright but this is simply wrong. Copyright is designed to protect the rightsholder . Whether it is a person or a company is irrelevant. This isn't a conspiracy or cynical-type explanation,…

I'm not an author or artist, but you only need to search for tweets about copyright on Twitter to see it benefits the rightsholders a bit too much. If the term was shorter, maybe it would be different. Of course the reason the term is longer is because of rightsholders.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by Gigachad »

oneoff786 wrote: post #23
lights0123 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pirating games. Valve doesn't care if you play games you buy not on their hardware (being their original business), while Nintendo doesn't want you playing Switch games on a computer even if you bought the game.

Can you play the same game on two devices from the same steam account without hiding offline?

Steam doesn't enforce DRM. You can usually go to the game files and just click the launcher from the file manager and the game will run without steam getting involved. Sure its not the most officially supported, but they hardly prevent you from doing it.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by Gigachad »

devwastaken wrote: post #12
stoplying1 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, why should Valve not have done this? I know Nintendo likes to bully smaller folks but it's not like Valve is small or that they rely on keeping good terms with Nintendo, right? Edit: I guess I didn't realize Portal was on Switch.

The more emulation becomes mainstream the more money Nintendo will invest to illegalize it. You cannot legally get roms of commercial games, even if you own the game. Breaking of DRM is automatically copyright infringement according to the DMCA.

The DMCA does not exist in all countries. It's perfectly legal to break DRM in many places.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by dewey »

bakugo wrote: post #77
dewey wrote: post #18

To the people saying "it's completely legal, what can Nintendo do" it might be worth considering that not everything is about legal / not legal. Companies and people have relationships and it's not always about if something is technically allowed, it's about how it's being understood by the other party and in this case it's pretty clear that Nintendo is not a big fan of emulators.

Nintendo has no relationship with Valve or really PC gaming as a whole at all. They are pretty much as hostile as it gets towards any platform that isn't their own, to the point that a planned collaboration with Fortnite fell through because they were simply not willing to allow any of their characters to be visible on other platforms. Valve isn't burning any bridges here because there were no bridges to begin with.

3 seconds in a trailer for a niche feature are not worth offending your competitor over.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by Gigachad »

matsemann wrote: post #35
some-human wrote: post #33

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To play the wide range of homebrew switch software created by the vast homebrew community the switch has, of course. https://switchbrew.org/wiki/Homebrew_Applications

Yeah, no one really believes that.

Just like no one believes stores selling "decorative glass vases" that look like bongs. But it doesn't matter, because it's still legal itself.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by [deleted] »

devwastaken wrote: post #12
stoplying1 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, why should Valve not have done this? I know Nintendo likes to bully smaller folks but it's not like Valve is small or that they rely on keeping good terms with Nintendo, right? Edit: I guess I didn't realize Portal was on Switch.

The more emulation becomes mainstream the more money Nintendo will invest to illegalize it. You cannot legally get roms of commercial games, even if you own the game. Breaking of DRM is automatically copyright infringement according to the DMCA.

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Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

RajT88 wrote: post #51

Oddly enough, the light that Humble Bundles have shone into gaming revenue cycles has made me question our copyright system as a whole. Stay with me. In Europe during the time of Mozart, composers were incentivized to be prolific by only getting royalties off the first public performance of their works. Now that is not fair today because of course we can losslessy reproduce such things infinitely. However, Humble Bun…

I'd prefer a system, where the author has to actually and actively be trying to make money in a specific market, before the copyright can be applied in that specific case (as with trademark law, where the owner has to actively protect the trademark).

Some nintendo games are currently not available anywhere (from nintendo or from original publisher), but if you copy/download that rom, you can get fined due to fictional losses for the copyright holder. What losses? If you're not selling the game anymore, how can you have losses from it? If you're not selling that movie in my country, how can you show a loss from me downloading it?

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by bakugo »

dewey wrote: post #84
bakugo wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nintendo has no relationship with Valve or really PC gaming as a whole at all. They are pretty much as hostile as it gets towards any platform that isn't their own, to the point that a planned collaboration with Fortnite fell through because they were simply not willing to allow any of their characters to be visible on other platforms. Valve isn't burning any bridges here because there were no bridges to begin with.

3 seconds in a trailer for a niche feature are not worth offending your competitor over.

Nintendo is not a direct competitor. And even if they were, what exactly does Valve have to lose here?

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by squeaky-clean »

matsemann wrote: post #32
ElCheapo wrote: post #28

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what has emulation got to do with not paying for the games?

Why would Valve advertise you could emulate if not for pirating games?

So you don't have to travel with both your Switch and your Steamdeck. So you can play games at higher resolution and fps than the Switch. So people can make playthough and tips/tricks videos of Switch games without needing to buy a capture card. So you can use game mods without jailbreaking your switch.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by daniel-cussen »

saagarjha wrote: post #5
stoplying1 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, why should Valve not have done this? I know Nintendo likes to bully smaller folks but it's not like Valve is small or that they rely on keeping good terms with Nintendo, right? Edit: I guess I didn't realize Portal was on Switch.

Because it ruins their relationship with Nintendo.

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