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Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’

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Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’

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Post by hef19898 »

drstewart wrote: post #76
hef19898 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US system isn't up to anyones stabdard except the rich and powerfull. On Palantir, all I've seen from them so far is one orbtwo levels shinier then what you can build in Excel, while costing more and providing less value.

Can you tell me more about this low "stabdard"? Are the doctors undertrained and poor quality? No equipment? Please elaborate. Clearly you know about high "stabdards"

Access, affordability, wether or not people have to ruin themselves for treatment... And well, on mobile "b" and "n" are too close to one another for my fat fingers...

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Post by oliwarner »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #72
oliwarner wrote: post #30

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No, that's relatively new. The NHS used to own its radiography suites. It used to own its land and buildings. It used to hire doctors and nurses and support staff directly. But because of a [also recent] forced-tender system, and high breakthrough prices on in-housing projects, it was deemed "cheaper" to let private providers burden the upfront costs of equipment, land and building management, and short contract mana…

> The NHS needs to stand up for itself and politicians need to start talking about 20y plans. If you are serious, I have bad news for you. The situation is going exactly as expected. That’s the traditional Tory plan. Defund, complain it doesn’t work now that it doesn’t have money then make private. British voters can only blame themselves. Between Brexit and decades of voting for the worst of the Tory, if they were l…

Not decades. It's only been 12 years, with every indication that it'll only be two more, perhaps not even that at this pace.

I've no illusions about the electorate but the Tories have spent their time distilling the party down to the extreme right wing element and that's —frankly— shown us all what a bunch of idiots they are. I can't remember a less electable bunch. https://twitter.com/UKPoliticalPics/status/15765728049624760...

Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’

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Post by _8j50 »

sangnoir wrote: post #20
jonnybgood wrote: post #12

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A lot of people don’t know what Palantir does. Only what they’ve heard.

Well, I've heard Palintir is no better than any other body-shop: hype-up their tech/senior engineering acumen, get the contract and throw anyone with a pulse at the project while using boring technology (SQL, spreadsheets).

I've used their products. Very nice and cool looking UI. Their magic is they have a stupid-friendly UI.

You can puta username, license plate, file name,etc... and it will dump everything about thay in a nice looking way. It also indexes regular documents, dbs,etc... and gives you a search engine. There are similar products out there.

That's why I said splunk. Actually if it was me I would use Graylog and use it's frontend friendly api to query ES on the cheap and have a cool and friendly UI.

Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’

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Post by drstewart »

esperent wrote: post #78
drstewart wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you tell me more about this low "stabdard"? Are the doctors undertrained and poor quality? No equipment? Please elaborate. Clearly you know about high "stabdards"

Affordability is a standard. Ease of access to all demographics, rather than just rich people, is a standard.

So is healthcare IT, considering how many patients die due to medical charting errors alone.

And the NHS isn't up to anyone's standard.

Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’

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Post by hef19898 »

drstewart wrote: post #84
esperent wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Affordability is a standard. Ease of access to all demographics, rather than just rich people, is a standard.

So is healthcare IT, considering how many patients die due to medical charting errors alone. And the NHS isn't up to anyone's standard.

Such a strong statement, the patients dying due to charting errors, crys for a source. As does the fact that the NHS is not among the better systems, because any statistic, spending, outcome, average life span of people, shows the various single payer systems (in order to group all state sponsored systems together even if their are differences) out perform the US one.

Let's entertain so that charting errors cause patient deaths. In order to judge how the NHS performs relative to other systems would require statistics on that fact alone. Not sure those even exist.

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Post by throwaway743 »

drstewart wrote: post #76
hef19898 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US system isn't up to anyones stabdard except the rich and powerfull. On Palantir, all I've seen from them so far is one orbtwo levels shinier then what you can build in Excel, while costing more and providing less value.

Can you tell me more about this low "stabdard"? Are the doctors undertrained and poor quality? No equipment? Please elaborate. Clearly you know about high "stabdards"

Don't be an ass.

Affordability and access is a major issue here in the US, even with employer provided insurance. Most aren't making tech level salaries nor benefits, nevermind those who are unemployed and don't meet stringent requirements in states that haven't adopted medicaid expansion.

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Post by frozencell »

_8j50 wrote: post #10
gsatic wrote: post #4

There has been talk of an EU version of Palantir for a while now. Anyone know what the latest news is? Technically it doesnt look like there is anything too complex about what Foundary does.

Do people know you can do wjat palantir does with Splunk?

How to discover services like this, the Internet is so big..

Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’

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Post by linuxftw »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #80
linuxftw wrote: post #79

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Socialized medicine was always going to be unaffordable in the long term. If it wasn't a burden, then the 'cost cutting' measures probably wouldn't have been implemented. Having the government in charge of something means it's always going to be inefficient.

> Socialized medicine was always going to be unaffordable in the long term. Why? Sorry but that’s horse shit. There is nothing preventing socialised medicine for working. It costs less per capita nowadays than it did when it was put in place and productivity skyrocketed since. The economic arguments were always the very privileged hiding their greed and contempt for the rest of us behind a fine veneer. I truly believ…

> There is nothing preventing socialised medicine for working. It costs less per capita nowadays than it did when it was put in place and productivity skyrocketed since.

That's because of the budget cuts. Service will continue to be trimmed until the system collapses.

Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’

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Post by sorokod »

3746648 wrote: post #3

Bloomberg used to be better. This is basically a non-story. The 'secret plan' was to use the nefarious mechanism of... Buying access that was for sale. All the allusions to shadyhandedness are just there to justify the existence of a story about Palantir because the author knew a story about a controversial company would propagate better even if it was devoid of anything meaningful to say.

You dismiss the rest of the story but accept that Palantir is controversial. Perhaps you could say something about how the fact that it is Palantir, should not be cause for concern for NHS and its patients.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palantir_Technologies#Controve...

Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’

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Post by paganel »

missedthecue wrote: post #29
paganel wrote: post #17

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> that's evil! Not a Brit, so not directly involved, but, yes, letting private enterprise sneaking their way in into a government-run health system is the beginning of pure evil.

It doesn't sound like they're sneaking their way in. It sounds like they are acquiring private enterprises that already deal with the NHS, therefore getting exposure to that market. The private enterprise relationship with the NHS already exists before Palantir acquired it. The NHS isn't completely vertically integrated. They buy their gowns, needles, rubber gloves, thermometers, and bedsheets from for-profit compani…

In a way, yes, especially the medical-related things.
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