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Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

astrange wrote: post #48
threeseed wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's no different to what has been happening in the music industry for decades. Many of the most popular pop songs are written by third parties and the recording companies will often pair artists with experienced producers and tour managers. The popularity of K-pop is more an artefact of the US mainstream favouring individual rap/hip-hop over dance-centric boy/girl bands and leaving a large opening in the market.

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Jpop has moved in more artistic directions, probably because of fan tastes. Like Attrashi Gakko, who are intentionally produced to look, dance, and sing unpolished and natural (the anti K-pop band)

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by taylorius »

justin_oaks wrote: post #24
citizenkeen wrote: post #18

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And yet the post also suggests members of the company should talk as individuals, not as the company. Which is… a tough row to hoe.

Indeed. Even if those company members aren't outspoken on political matters, people will dig up their politics. Consider the case of Brendan Eich.

Indeed, BTS was never the same once Eich got the boot.

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by siva7 »

bee_rider wrote: post #44
googlryas wrote: post #25

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That's pretty much what every boy band creator does since nkotb in 1984. The truth is 16 year old boys don't get together with 4 friends and make music like this. So you need someone in the industry to bring talent together, write their songs, etc. Compare that with rock, rap, punk, emo, etc which happens more organically usually.

I'm beginning to suspect The Monkees might not have been a completely spontaneous and organic situation, either.

That’s not true. Stop lying

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by pronlover723 »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #76
consumer451 wrote: post #58

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> Korean songs I believe the correct term would be lyrics, not songs. A song can have its lyrics translated/altered into an entirely different language and still carry the same weight. Many pop songwriters would argue that the lyrics are one of the least important components. Non-anglophone countries are full of such songs based on English language originals. Though this musical localization seems have be have been m…

> A song can have its lyrics translated/altered into an entirely different language and still carry the same weight. This is not true. Try listening to "the same" song in two different languages that you can speak, one of which being the language the song was written in. One of two things will be true: (a) It is obvious which songs was originally written in that language and which is a translation. (b) It is not obvi…

Plenty of anime, jpop, and kpop songs translated and sung by fans in English. They do a great job of making the lyrics fit, rhyme, and feel like an English song.

I've actually been kind of shocked how good they are given how poor many professional subtitle translation are. Like recently watching Cyberpunk 2077 and the English subtitles are not remotely close to the Japanese dialog

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by ksaxena »

_8j50 wrote: post #16
oarsinsync wrote: post #10

> But activism on unrelated issues, even important ones, puts up barriers for no good reason. It’s interesting framing. Some might view this as pure to your values, some might view this as lacking in values, but it certainly got my attention. Reducing this quote down, the claim is “activism on unrelated important issues has no value [to your business].”

I hate corporations being activists so much. That's individuals' role, if you don't vote you don't get to be an activist. In reality this means corporations have loud voices and fat wallets drowning out the small guy's voice and effectively changing democracy to corporocracy. Maybe companies should run for office too then since they are now persons. But that quote I think is just saying to pick and choose your battle…

The problem with this line of thinking is the power that media companies have. Media companies have immense power to alter political discourse to fit the narratives they prefer. Which gives immense political power to the owners of media companies, like Rupert Murdoch. Sometimes, enough power to "choose" senators, congresspeople, and even presidents. And this power doesn't have competition unless you allow all other companies to fight for their narratives with money.

What you have at the end is a stinking cesspool, but this cesspool is still better than your country's politicians pledging allegiance to the equivalents of Rupert Murdoch. This is exactly like Churchill's characterization of Democracy - horrible system but better than any other alternative.

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by moviewatcher333 »

jojok wrote: post #79
ziml77 wrote: post #9

Is any of this much different from pop boy bands of the 00's? You make generic, catchy songs that are hard to resist. Then have a group of four or five attractive teens perform the song. And then Highlight each individual so people form a parasocial relationship with the band members. The fanaticism follows quite easily from there.

As someone who enjoys both kpop and western pop I feel there's definitely something that about kpop that creates a more intense fandom, but it's not easy to put one's finger on why exactly. One reason might be that in the western music industry there's more of an assumption that the product is the music whereas in kpop the artist is the product. Kpop artists put out a lot of material that makes you feel close to them…

Anime and games target a similar crowd as K-pop. Although anime mostly targets single (lonely) males with obsessive characteristics, K-pop goes mostly after the female parallel.

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by max51 »

jojok wrote: post #79
ziml77 wrote: post #9

Is any of this much different from pop boy bands of the 00's? You make generic, catchy songs that are hard to resist. Then have a group of four or five attractive teens perform the song. And then Highlight each individual so people form a parasocial relationship with the band members. The fanaticism follows quite easily from there.

As someone who enjoys both kpop and western pop I feel there's definitely something that about kpop that creates a more intense fandom, but it's not easy to put one's finger on why exactly. One reason might be that in the western music industry there's more of an assumption that the product is the music whereas in kpop the artist is the product. Kpop artists put out a lot of material that makes you feel close to them…

> of an assumption that the product is the music whereas in kpop the artist is the product

It's not just an assumption, they are open about it. It's not a coincidence that kpop idol are forbidden from dating (they enforce it very strongly btw) and that they organize events were fans can pay in exchange to sit down with them and hold their hand for a few minutes.

Their business model has always been that they prefer to charge a single super fan 900$ for a limited edition album than sell a 10$ albums to 90 people.

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by WalterBright »

_8j50 wrote: post #78
WalterBright wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think about the public school teachers union? They present their politics to the kids for a thousand hours a year, for 13 years.

They do so as individuals and school employees not as union members, they do have to follow curriculum as well and I do agree that they should leave their biased political views at the door of the school, this applies to consrvative teachers as well. Parents should raise kids, not teachers.

The teachers unions have an awful lot to do with the curriculum.

> Parents should raise kids, not teachers.

True. But parents do not choose the curriculum, and are not talking at their kids 6 hours a day.

> they should leave their biased political views at the door of the school

Sure, but it's naive to believe that they actually do.

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by _8j50 »

ksaxena wrote: post #85
_8j50 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate corporations being activists so much. That's individuals' role, if you don't vote you don't get to be an activist. In reality this means corporations have loud voices and fat wallets drowning out the small guy's voice and effectively changing democracy to corporocracy. Maybe companies should run for office too then since they are now persons. But that quote I think is just saying to pick and choose your battle…

The problem with this line of thinking is the power that media companies have. Media companies have immense power to alter political discourse to fit the narratives they prefer. Which gives immense political power to the owners of media companies, like Rupert Murdoch. Sometimes, enough power to "choose" senators, congresspeople, and even presidents. And this power doesn't have competition unless you allow all other c…

You can't make that argument now with the internet where individuals can and do (see HN or reddit front page) reach a wide audience that can compete with the media. But even with old media, individuals are given a platform from opinion pieces to interviewing regular people. But mixing of journalism and entertainment type opinion shows (most of fox and msnbc for example) is not a good thing for democracy.
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