Our ancestors ate a Paleo diet and it had carbs

Post by hactually » Sat, Oct 01, 2022, 10:41 PM UTC

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> The remaining people practicing such a folkway live on marginal land, the harsh truth of human existence being that if it was rich enough for agriculture, or good for pastoralism, those lifestyles would have won out. That's a bit too harsh, and I spent a couple weeks living with the Hadza at one point. Even went honey-gathering with them up into a Baobab tree, although I was too scared to stick my hand in. They liv…

“They live in the African savannah, which is where humankind first evolved” We have some evidence to suggest that early humans were there but it is a huge assumption and leap of faith to make a statement like this with certainty. This statement is more likely a religious statement than one a good scientist would make. A good scientist would not make such a bold assumption without putting it in quotes or a star next t…

Post by jjtheblunt » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 12:06 AM UTC

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"If you're of European descent, for example, you share more with the Hadza than you do with those of East Asian descent -- as they also share more with the Hadza than they would with you." How? Hadza would be about 3/1000th Neanderthal while both Europens and East Asians are about 20/1000th. Because home sapiens mated with them after leaving Africa and there wasn't much gene flow back into Africa. Even if that weren'…

In a nutshell it's about genetic diversity. Subsaharan Africans include virtually all of the set of homo sapiens genes (save for mutations that occurred later on elsewhere), while populations outside of Africa have only select subsets of genes, due to the limited diversity in small migratory groups. So if you're European, for example, nearly all the genes you have can also be found in the Subsaharan African populatio…

Post by SamoyedFurFluff » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 12:56 AM UTC

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Honey throws a huge wrench in the paleo argument: it's essentially a 100% processed/refined sugar of which the Hadza in particular consume huge amounts with no ill effect. Matter of fact seems to be that if you can use the calories, there is nothing wrong with getting them separate from nutrients. A highly active person might need twice as many calories as his sedentary twin but only 20-30% more nutrients to sustain…

They ate honeycomb, which is very different from the refined honey you’d find in a grocery store. Comb has large amounts of protein from pollen and bee larvae.

Post by hackerlight » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 3:02 AM UTC

crazygringo wrote: post #72

hackerlight wrote: post #62

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"If you're of European descent, for example, you share more with the Hadza than you do with those of East Asian descent -- as they also share more with the Hadza than they would with you." How? Hadza would be about 3/1000th Neanderthal while both Europens and East Asians are about 20/1000th. Because home sapiens mated with them after leaving Africa and there wasn't much gene flow back into Africa. Even if that weren'…

In a nutshell it's about genetic diversity. Subsaharan Africans include virtually all of the set of homo sapiens genes (save for mutations that occurred later on elsewhere), while populations outside of Africa have only select subsets of genes, due to the limited diversity in small migratory groups. So if you're European, for example, nearly all the genes you have can also be found in the Subsaharan African populatio…

Post by samatman » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 11:17 AM UTC

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samatman wrote: post #4

I agree with the headline (and so would the "Paleo diet" people, in quotes because that's marketing, not a historical claim), but the Hadza aren't my ancestors, or particularly closely related to them. That's true of non sub-Saharan people generally. More importantly, no contemporary hunter-gatherers are a good model for pre-agricultural people (to call them hunter-gatherers at that time is to imply there were other…

"What no one ate as much of is grains, specifically ground grains." From the article... "Recently, there’s been some really cool work looking at the little bit of plaque and calculus stuck to the teeth in fossilized hominids. If you look at that, you’ll find remains of plants and starches. So we actually do have preserved evidence that early humans are eating lots of starchy vegetable foods. There’s even some evidenc…