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Does Company ‘X’ have an Azure Active Directory Tenant?

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Re: Does Company ‘X’ have an Azure Active Directory Tenant?

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Post by scarface74 »

yardie wrote: post #75
scarface74 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Will this meme ever die? Absolutely nothing came of Microsoft bundling IE with Windows in the 90s in the US. There was never a day since IE came bundled with Windows that it wasn’t bundled with Windows . There was never s browser choice initiative - nothing. Out of all of the anti trust allegations, bundling was the nothingburger. MS was forced to stop making OEMs pay for licenses for all of their PCs whether or not…

Yes, there was a version of Windows that did come unbundled, Windows N that was targeted for EU users to comply with EU antitrust agreements. And there was a browser choice selection during OOTB configuration with the top 4 or 5 browsers in the marketplace.

That’s why I was careful to repeatedly say “in the US”.

Re: Does Company ‘X’ have an Azure Active Directory Tenant?

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Post by sofixa »

hulitu wrote: post #33
rchaud wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With AD we have SSO integration with a whole universe of mediocre apps, Jira for instance

I need to always give a password in Jira.

Jira, and the whole of Atlassian Cloud services, bundle SSO as a separate service you pay for. It's called Atlassian Access and it costs $4-$2 depending on number of users, so many companies skip it because it easily doubles your Jira/Confluece costs.

sso.tax

Re: Does Company ‘X’ have an Azure Active Directory Tenant?

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Post by m348e912 »

Spooky23 wrote: post #38
roflyear wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MS is so bad with this stuff. It's difficult to determine what value you get from premium. If I knew maybe I'd buy it!

The service is good, but really expensive and the sales tactics are sleazy. They want you paying $40/mo/head.

Azure AD Premium is $480/year per user???? What in the world do you get for that price point?

Re: Does Company ‘X’ have an Azure Active Directory Tenant?

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Post by ghaff »

scarface74 wrote: post #66
PaulWaldman wrote: post #53

Microsoft is traditionally great at bundling their products. This is reminiscent of bundling Internet Explorer with Windows. Could an Okta have a claim against Microsoft similar to Netscape in the late 90's?

Will this meme ever die? Absolutely nothing came of Microsoft bundling IE with Windows in the 90s in the US. There was never a day since IE came bundled with Windows that it wasn’t bundled with Windows . There was never s browser choice initiative - nothing. Out of all of the anti trust allegations, bundling was the nothingburger. MS was forced to stop making OEMs pay for licenses for all of their PCs whether or not…

The whole Windows/IE bundling fracas has to be looked at in the context of Microsoft not only having a lot of unsavory business practices--as did it's welded together at the hip partner Intel--but also it was seen in the eyes of a lot of people as on the way to utterly dominate computing once Unix got pushed out of the way.

Add in the dominance of Office and Microsoft's presumed dominance of mobile once that became ubiquitous and a lot of people were looking for any lever to use against the company. All this activity probably made Microsoft back off a bit in some areas and likely tarnished its aura of inevitability a bit--but it's not entirely clear that it made much difference in the end. (And there were certainly people at the time arguing that the Microsoft winning over all narrative was deeply flawed.

Re: Does Company ‘X’ have an Azure Active Directory Tenant?

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Post by MattGaiser »

wsjeffro wrote: post #73

What I can’t understand is why Azure AD doesn’t have a stronger position in the consumer space. Authentication via Google, Apple, and even still Facebook are nearly always supported on customer-facing logins. I rarely see an option for Microsoft. They have a commanding position in the enterprise. What’s keeping them from crossing those enterprise boundaries?

Do enough people still use consumer Microsoft accounts? Except for myself, it has been a long time since I have encountered a hotmail address or live address or outlook address in the wild.

I've gotten career advice several times to get a GMail instead, because Microsoft was considered out of date and backward (not so much anymore).

Re: Does Company ‘X’ have an Azure Active Directory Tenant?

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Post by vinay_ys »

eastbound wrote: post #48
SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #24

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They are insanely good at onboarding people onto it as well. I have a small startup just me and a cofounder right now and we pay $12 a month for 365 which includes all of Azure AD. Can start doing full integrations right away to lock us in.

This is awesome! I went 6 times to Microsoft AD’s pricing page and I could never figure out how much it would be! Then I remembered it would be bundled with Azure, which, like any cloud, has the “It’s 0.0062$ per unit of consumption, so sometimes it’s 2€ per month, sometimes it’s 647€, we never know ourselves, good luck!” effect. Has anyone else sometimes avoided a cloud service because the pricing was opaque?

They are much nicer in recent years and are quite transparent with pricing – https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/compare-micros... See full pdf for all plans: https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?linkid=2139145

Basically if you have a Microsoft Office 365 Enterprise license (E3 or E5 license – which you need if have business people in your company who can't live without Excel on desktop), you get Azure AD Premium (P1 or P2) bundled for free.

As I was writing this comment I just went looking at their AD page and found they have launched a new thing called Entra which includes Decentralized ID. And there's a white paper – interesting.

Re: Does Company ‘X’ have an Azure Active Directory Tenant?

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Post by [deleted] »

ghaff wrote: post #84
scarface74 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Will this meme ever die? Absolutely nothing came of Microsoft bundling IE with Windows in the 90s in the US. There was never a day since IE came bundled with Windows that it wasn’t bundled with Windows . There was never s browser choice initiative - nothing. Out of all of the anti trust allegations, bundling was the nothingburger. MS was forced to stop making OEMs pay for licenses for all of their PCs whether or not…

The whole Windows/IE bundling fracas has to be looked at in the context of Microsoft not only having a lot of unsavory business practices--as did it's welded together at the hip partner Intel--but also it was seen in the eyes of a lot of people as on the way to utterly dominate computing once Unix got pushed out of the way. Add in the dominance of Office and Microsoft's presumed dominance of mobile once that became u…

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Re: Does Company ‘X’ have an Azure Active Directory Tenant?

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Post by aaronharnly »

mrweasel wrote: post #29
kn8 wrote: post #26

What is Azure AD used for?

Authorization and authentication. Like it or not Microsoft Active Ditectory or Azure AD (basically the cloud version) works with everything and it’s kinda the only single-signon/shared login solution for enterprises. You can build something yourself with LDAP, Kerberos and maybe Keycloak, but why bother when you more or less need AD for Windows and Exchange anyway.

We use Okta, currently with on-prem AD, but are whittling away at the use cases for the latter and hope to be AD-free once we solve for RADIUS (suggestions welcome :)

Re: Does Company ‘X’ have an Azure Active Directory Tenant?

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Post by candiddevmike »

wsjeffro wrote: post #73

What I can’t understand is why Azure AD doesn’t have a stronger position in the consumer space. Authentication via Google, Apple, and even still Facebook are nearly always supported on customer-facing logins. I rarely see an option for Microsoft. They have a commanding position in the enterprise. What’s keeping them from crossing those enterprise boundaries?

Microsoft's support for multiple accounts is atrocious. I can easily have 5+ Google accounts that I switch between, moving between MS accounts is awful. Additionally MS's free consumer offerings are not competitive with Gmail/Drive IMO.

Re: Does Company ‘X’ have an Azure Active Directory Tenant?

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Post by vladvasiliu »

MattGaiser wrote: post #85
wsjeffro wrote: post #73

What I can’t understand is why Azure AD doesn’t have a stronger position in the consumer space. Authentication via Google, Apple, and even still Facebook are nearly always supported on customer-facing logins. I rarely see an option for Microsoft. They have a commanding position in the enterprise. What’s keeping them from crossing those enterprise boundaries?

Do enough people still use consumer Microsoft accounts? Except for myself, it has been a long time since I have encountered a hotmail address or live address or outlook address in the wild. I've gotten career advice several times to get a GMail instead, because Microsoft was considered out of date and backward (not so much anymore).

I'd expect this to grow now that Windows pushes more aggressively to use an MS account to login.

Plus, if this works as well as it does with the "corporate" AzureAD, it would be a better experience for users. Just "log on with your Windows account".

Not saying that's necessarily a good, thing, mind. Only that I expect support to broaden.

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