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Facebook settles with FTC, under privacy watch for 20 years

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Re: Facebook settles with FTC, under privacy watch for 20 years

#81
There is a lot of nonsense legal interpretation in this thread. Did anyone actually read the settlement?

You commit fraud if you make any intentional deception in order to benefit yourself, or to harm others. If you intentionally make public commitments that turn out to be false, and you thereby cause some harm to another person, you have committed a fraud.

The FTC is empowered to enforce criminal and civil penalties for fraud on behalf of consumers. From the FTC website: "When the FTC was created in 1914, its purpose was to prevent unfair methods of competition in commerce as part of the battle to bust the trusts. Over the years, Congress passed additional laws giving the agency greater authority to police anticompetitive practices. In 1938, Congress passed a broad prohibition against unfair and deceptive acts or practices.”

From the FTC's Facebook settlement statement, it's perfectly clear that the FTC believes that Facebook is guilty of committing widespread and repeated deceptions in violation of the law.

The settlement itself is tantamount to saying that Facebook has had its last warning, and is on very thin ice with the FTC.

Feel free to complain about whether such a "penalty" is effective. We won't really know until the next time Facebook breaks the law.

Re: Facebook settles with FTC, under privacy watch for 20 years

#82

You know... people could just take responsibility for sharing their private information. If they don't think a website "privacy policy" is enough of an assurance, it is their fault for accepting that risk. FB should not be blamed for sharing information that others freely share with FB. It's ridiculous. It's even more ridiculous to think that government regulation is somehow needed to protect privacy. How absurd. "I…

>FB should not be blamed for sharing information that others freely share with FB

Your bank should not be blamed for sharing information that you freely share with your bank?

Your doctor should not be blamed for sharing information that you freely share with your doctor?

Law enforcement should not be blamed for sharing information that you freely share with law enforcement?

Re: Facebook settles with FTC, under privacy watch for 20 years

#83

So the penalty for ongoing repeated lies and fraud is.... nothing. Zero. The FTC has investigated, and the settlement is zero money and zero penalties. Not one dollar. Whew! I'm glad they were punished! They won't do THAT again! The U.S. is really in late-stage empire breakdown. I don't think there is any significant enforcement of any laws whatsoever against companies and people that are reasonably well connected. T…

On what legal basis would you expect a financial penalty for a free, voluntary-participation online service that did the things that the FTC found that Facebook did? What does the law on the subject give the FTC authority to do?

The FTC seems to think that Facebook lured consumers in by misrepresenting how it uses consumer personal information. That would be a violation of the FTC Act.

Re: Facebook settles with FTC, under privacy watch for 20 years

#84

Privacy policies aren't binding contracts or agreements. They're just stated policies. Why do people treat them like contracts?

Why aren't they contracts? When I sign up for a website, I have to enter into a contract for their Terms & Conditions, which usually includes the Privacy Policy.

Re: Facebook settles with FTC, under privacy watch for 20 years

#85
post #18

Many have posted to this thread with complaints that boil down to "this is a slap on the wrist because they are well connected". If you were the FTC, what would you do to Facebook in this case, how would it be supported in law and what long term change for the better would your action create? Privacy is a civil good but it is a fine line to walk indeed to punish an innovator during a recession. Where's the happy medi…

The problem here is the personal information is being voluntarily given to Facebook. And the FTC can do nothing about that. As far as I can tell, most people using FB are trying to communicate with their friends (as they previously did via letter, telephone and email), not broadcast every personal detail and thought to potentially any person or organization connected to the web. Alas they are not well informed that b…

Wrong. The FTC said very clearly that it thinks Facebook lured consumers in under false pretenses. That's punishable by criminal and civil penalties, in theory. The FTC usually settles these kind of cases, AFAIK. Sometimes there's money involved, sometimes not. Anyone who isn't in compliance with their own published privacy policy should be worried about the FTC; they can (again, in theory) do serious harm to a business – even one as big as Facebook.

Re: Facebook settles with FTC, under privacy watch for 20 years

#86
post #78

I wonder how this settlement compares to EU Data Protection Law. Is it possible FB could abide by FTC rules and still be outside EU rules? Will FB use this "We're OK by the FTC now!" as a claim to be not so bad in the EU?

I think it would be too much of a mess to manage, really. Even Canadian consumer protection laws have shaped Facebook's privacy policy.

Re: Facebook settles with FTC, under privacy watch for 20 years

#87
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Utterly inexcusable. Someone (several someones really) at the FTC should lose their jobs over that. When O when will we get regulators with some distance from those they are regulating? (I'm looking at you SEC.)

"When O when will we get regulators with some distance from those they are regulating?" Oh, that's an easy one.

Sadly, you're right.

Re: Facebook settles with FTC, under privacy watch for 20 years

#88

So the penalty for ongoing repeated lies and fraud is.... nothing. Zero. The FTC has investigated, and the settlement is zero money and zero penalties. Not one dollar. Whew! I'm glad they were punished! They won't do THAT again! The U.S. is really in late-stage empire breakdown. I don't think there is any significant enforcement of any laws whatsoever against companies and people that are reasonably well connected. T…

Privacy policies are not binding agreements or contracts. Facebook didn't lie. They simply don't have to follow their privacy policy exactly, since it's not a binding agreement.

No that is a lie.

If I tell you I'll pick you up at 6 and have no intention of doing it, that's a lie. It's not illegal but it is a lie.

Re: Facebook settles with FTC, under privacy watch for 20 years

#89
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't the credit rating agencies work the same way? The companies being rated pay the agencies, not the companies that want to know the rating.

They do. Their value is unclear. Accountants supposedly are employed by shareholders, but in practice are employed by executives. This makes auditing problematic, but it does have some value. The bigger problem there is the big four's oligopoly: they are too big to fail.

How are the big four all "too big to fail" when not too long ago they were the big five?

Re: Facebook settles with FTC, under privacy watch for 20 years

#90

So the penalty for ongoing repeated lies and fraud is.... nothing. Zero. The FTC has investigated, and the settlement is zero money and zero penalties. Not one dollar. Whew! I'm glad they were punished! They won't do THAT again! The U.S. is really in late-stage empire breakdown. I don't think there is any significant enforcement of any laws whatsoever against companies and people that are reasonably well connected. T…

So... quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Perhaps the problem isn't that there's no one to watch the watchmen, but that we're over-reliant on watchmen. You don't need the FTC to keep Facebook from sharing your private information. I'm not saying Facebook did nothing wrong, and I'm not saying the FTC is doing nothing wrong now. I'm saying that none of it matters if you delete your own account. You don't need to worry about…

I don't know Latin, but I can play around with google translate! Best I got was

Noli loqui et non servant custodibus

or "Watch your mouth instead of the watchmen".

I guess this was a very complex way of disagreeing with you that "none of it matters".

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