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YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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Amazon really, really likes to recommend me a wide variety of shower curtains after buying one, 4 years ago. Give it a rest already.

They realllllly want me to buy far too many vacuum cleaners for the one rug in my house :|

With Amazon quality control, I’m sure you’ll need a new vacuum soon enough.

Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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The trick to improving YouTube recommendations is to regularly prune uninteresting videos and channels. Eventually this should start surfacing videos you're more likely to find interesting. I've actually hit the end of my recommendation stream on the mobile app after marking dozens of videos with Not Interested. Once this happens it starts recommending videos you've already watched or older videos from creators you'v…

>Some might say that you can still use search

At some point Youtube search was neutered. I get 5-10 results for any given query before Youtube gives up and just offers me recommendations rather than search results. Interestingly, if I search google for [search term] site:youtube.com, I actually get pages of results which are never present in the Youtube search. Sadly, it seems that Google has intentionally diminished Youtube's own search function in order to prioritize use of the recommendation system.

Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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Why is everybody pretending the recommendation system is designed to show you what you want to see, rather than to maximise ad revenue?

Agree. This study is assuming the intent of the feature is to remove those types of videos. In reality the intent is to use it as one of many signals to make better ML recommendations. Oftentimes, there are also differences in revealed and stated preferences.

Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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This reminds me of how games ( cough LeagueOfLegends cough ) match me up with a player that I literally just reported for harassment, griefing etc. in the previous match. Like, there weren't any other possible players to match me with out of the many thousands? I don't mind waiting a few more seconds to match up with someone else! I'm getting a lot of responses as if I expect the player to be totally blocked from mat…

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Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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YouTube doesn't seem to understand my preferences, at all. It's far, far too biased toward what you recently watched. It basically doesn't work and certainly doesn't "learn" anything.

YouTube doesn't care about your "preferences." It only cares about what it predicts your behavior will be. If you tell your drug dealer that you're trying to quit crack, he's still going to sell you more crack.

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YouTube doesn't seem to understand my preferences, at all. It's far, far too biased toward what you recently watched. It basically doesn't work and certainly doesn't "learn" anything.

YouTube absolutely IGNORES your preferences. I watch it daily, I have never listened to any hip hop, I don't watch sports nor trending topics, yet every single day it suggests football videos, MMA, the latest hiphop hit, and celebrity crap (imagine the Kardashians) among my other interests. I click "don't recommend this channel", or "I don't like this video " every single day, I have an extension to make this conveni…

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Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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This article is a discussion of a study Mozilla published ... without a dateline, though the Wayback Machine suggests it probably appeared 20 Sept. 2022 (today): https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/youtube/user-controls/ > That was previously submitted to HN though there seems to be no activity presently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32910321 >

The linked report [0] is dated today and uses data from the RegretsReporter extension [1] and additional surveys from December 2021, which is basically when youtube removed the dislike counter [2]. It's both suprising and not that suprising to see quantitatively how little disliking or telling youtube to not reccomend channels or content has an impact on the algorithm. They also rightfully point out how much of a pai…

Thanks for the date confirmation, I'd not dug that far through Mozilla's links.

I'd encourage them to make that information more apparent earlier in the link-train.

And yeah, agreed on YouTube's algo-feedback uselessness, and the value of solid data substantiating general impressions (mine as well).

Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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The trick to improving YouTube recommendations is to regularly prune uninteresting videos and channels. Eventually this should start surfacing videos you're more likely to find interesting. I've actually hit the end of my recommendation stream on the mobile app after marking dozens of videos with Not Interested. Once this happens it starts recommending videos you've already watched or older videos from creators you'v…

> Some might say that you can still use search, but that has been crippled to include unrelated recommendations after one page of results. Not only that, I want YouTube to help me discover new content. When the recommendation system works and it shows me new kinds of interesting stuff, it's superb. TikTok is eating YouTube's lunch in this regard. this and it's going too far, since Youtube is now polluting people's se…

> Why the hell does Youtube want me to look at that?

One answer is that some assumptions that YouTube makes about the viewers is based on very broad stereotypes; the geek who’s into CGI also has a sexual side that they are about to discover through YouTube.

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