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Re: Forum Channels: A space for organized conversations

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Post by GekkePrutser » Wed, Sep 14, 2022, 6:12 PM UTC

softfalcon wrote: post #77

GekkePrutser wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Discussion that happens on public forums usually sounds like everyone's at a job interview getting scrutinized by a potential employer. Which, in fairness, they effectively are. Maybe if you use forums with a real name policy? I wouldn't give prospective employers all my nicknames :)

Unfortunately there are whole services offered to find said nicknames and tie the crap back to your real name. Frequently used for high profile job positions and their “background” checks.

Oh really?? First I've heard of it, I wasn't aware of that. That is indeed worrying. Do you have any examples? Would be good to try out. To see how much it knows about me.

Also time to start rotating identities more :) It's a bit more complicated not to mix them up now because almost every email service requires a phone number and I only have so many (here in Spain you can't just buy a prepaid sim over the counter, they have this annoying registration process with photo ID that also has to be renewed every once in a while).

Re: Forum Channels: A space for organized conversations

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Post by Arrath » Wed, Sep 14, 2022, 6:12 PM UTC

GekkePrutser wrote: post #73

mjr00 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the modern internet, I don't know that being searchable and indexed is always a benefit. I like the idea of a semi-private space. I don't want people on the internet to be able to drudge up out of context statements I made 10 years ago by googling "site:discord.com ". I can tell a lot of people are the same way just by their behavior; the discussion that happens on Discord is a lot different than anything on, say,…

> Discussion that happens on public forums usually sounds like everyone's at a job interview getting scrutinized by a potential employer. Which, in fairness, they effectively are. Maybe if you use forums with a real name policy? I wouldn't give prospective employers all my nicknames :)

> I wouldn't give prospective employers all my nicknames :)

I wouldn't give them any, to be honest.

And it weirds me out to see people posting with their real names, be it youtube comments or on niche forums. That anonymity is a deeply held thing to me, I guess.

Re: Forum Channels: A space for organized conversations

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Post by Cu3PO42 » Wed, Sep 14, 2022, 6:13 PM UTC

mjr00 wrote: post #59

aliqot wrote: post #3

Are they searchable and indexable? What made PHPBB and all that cool was that it'd turn up in search queries. As a hobbyist, this was an incredible wealth of information for me that has mostly dried up with the advent of walled gardens like slack, discord, etc. Some might point at BBS and IRC and say that those were the same, but I'd argue that they had lower volume, and less rich media, and I'd go one further to say…

On the modern internet, I don't know that being searchable and indexed is always a benefit. I like the idea of a semi-private space. I don't want people on the internet to be able to drudge up out of context statements I made 10 years ago by googling "site:discord.com ". I can tell a lot of people are the same way just by their behavior; the discussion that happens on Discord is a lot different than anything on, say,…

I wholeheartedly agreed. Ironically, I already feel that Discord is a lot less private than IRC used to be. In a way, history not being accessible to those not currently in a channel is also a feature.

Re: Forum Channels: A space for organized conversations

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Post by kmeisthax » Wed, Sep 14, 2022, 6:13 PM UTC

aliqot wrote: post #3

Are they searchable and indexable? What made PHPBB and all that cool was that it'd turn up in search queries. As a hobbyist, this was an incredible wealth of information for me that has mostly dried up with the advent of walled gardens like slack, discord, etc. Some might point at BBS and IRC and say that those were the same, but I'd argue that they had lower volume, and less rich media, and I'd go one further to say…

Searchable? Yes. Indexable? Absolutely not.

Even public servers are only public to human accounts and only server admins are allowed to invite bots. If you try to scrape Discord with a human account you will be banned.

Re: Forum Channels: A space for organized conversations

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Post by at_a_remove » Wed, Sep 14, 2022, 6:14 PM UTC

I wish they broke down and let people have the /ignore feature that they've been crying out for, instead of just having to rely on the very clumsy and comparatively loud blocking feature.

Re: Forum Channels: A space for organized conversations

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Post by kmeisthax » Wed, Sep 14, 2022, 6:14 PM UTC

Cu3PO42 wrote: post #83

mjr00 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the modern internet, I don't know that being searchable and indexed is always a benefit. I like the idea of a semi-private space. I don't want people on the internet to be able to drudge up out of context statements I made 10 years ago by googling "site:discord.com ". I can tell a lot of people are the same way just by their behavior; the discussion that happens on Discord is a lot different than anything on, say,…

I wholeheartedly agreed. Ironically, I already feel that Discord is a lot less private than IRC used to be. In a way, history not being accessible to those not currently in a channel is also a feature.

Scrollback is actually a permission that you can disable; but it's on by default and I've never seen someone turn it off.

Re: Forum Channels: A space for organized conversations

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Post by worble » Wed, Sep 14, 2022, 6:14 PM UTC

And then when Discord eventually folds all of this info will be lost, as it's not even easily archivable.

Re: Forum Channels: A space for organized conversations

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Post by BrainVirus » Wed, Sep 14, 2022, 6:14 PM UTC

I regret ever supporting Discord with Nitro subscription. At the time it seemed user-funded model would make them less dependent on external money. That simply didn't turn out to be the the case. They are obviously yet another wannabe big tech company based in California.

Their privacy policy (and practices) is awful. They routinely suspend inconvenient servers without giving it a second thought. They've used gaming as a ticket to fame, but then scrubbed every mention of games from their UX after receiving $100M from a VC company.

I've stopped using Discord for most purposes. For group chats I use Wire, which admittedly has much shittier UI, but it's free for small groups and E2E encrypts all conversations.

Re: Forum Channels: A space for organized conversations

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Post by jotm » Wed, Sep 14, 2022, 6:16 PM UTC

mjr00 wrote: post #59

aliqot wrote: post #3

Are they searchable and indexable? What made PHPBB and all that cool was that it'd turn up in search queries. As a hobbyist, this was an incredible wealth of information for me that has mostly dried up with the advent of walled gardens like slack, discord, etc. Some might point at BBS and IRC and say that those were the same, but I'd argue that they had lower volume, and less rich media, and I'd go one further to say…

On the modern internet, I don't know that being searchable and indexed is always a benefit. I like the idea of a semi-private space. I don't want people on the internet to be able to drudge up out of context statements I made 10 years ago by googling "site:discord.com ". I can tell a lot of people are the same way just by their behavior; the discussion that happens on Discord is a lot different than anything on, say,…

That's where the anonymity comes in. Why the hell would you use any personally identifiable info? Just use mjr69420.

It's this ability to find random comments on obscure stuff that really made me love the Internet.

Nowadays, the social media stuff, and frankly, the influx of idiots, has turned into garbage. Their thoughts should still be archived and searchable though.

Re: Forum Channels: A space for organized conversations

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Post by shabbatt » Wed, Sep 14, 2022, 6:17 PM UTC

BrainVirus wrote: post #88

I regret ever supporting Discord with Nitro subscription. At the time it seemed user-funded model would make them less dependent on external money. That simply didn't turn out to be the the case. They are obviously yet another wannabe big tech company based in California. Their privacy policy (and practices) is awful. They routinely suspend inconvenient servers without giving it a second thought. They've used gaming…

What I hate more is more ppl are using discord as default support. IT moves to quick, and repeat questions and answers needs bot. It's easier for people to piss in the well because chat is so fleeting, can easily take conversations out of context with screenshots.

I really miss the old school PHPBB forums which were "slower" and that was good for support from the vendor's point of view. Very few cases require real time staff chatting and available all the time. It seems to invite more trouble than its worth.